Is CERN shutting its Higgs Program?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around rumors regarding the potential closure of CERN's Higgs and Supersymmetry programs, with a focus on the timeline and implications of planned upgrades to the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) in 2012. Participants explore the validity of these claims and the context of CERN's operational schedule.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant shares a speculative rumor about CERN announcing the closure of Higgs and Supersymmetry programs by spring 2012, citing a friend's professor but lacking a citation.
  • Another participant dismisses the rumor as "absolute nonsense."
  • A participant clarifies that there is a planned shutdown for upgrading beam energy in 2012, but this does not equate to closing the Higgs and Supersymmetry programs.
  • Some participants note that CERN has extended the LHC run to search for the Higgs particle until mid-2012, suggesting that reducing the program duration seems unlikely.
  • Details are provided about the current schedule for proton and ion collisions, with mention of a "Long Shutdown" starting in December 2012, which will last through 2013.
  • There are mentions of possible improvements in energy and luminosity during 2012, though these decisions are not finalized.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of the rumor about program closure. While some dismiss the rumor, others acknowledge the planned upgrades and express uncertainty about the implications for the Higgs program.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the potential for miscommunication regarding CERN's operational plans and the importance of distinguishing between scheduled upgrades and program closures. There is uncertainty about the final decisions regarding energy increases and luminosity improvements.

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This is an extremely speculative post. I came to know through a friend of mine, that his professor told him that CERN is going to announce by spring 2012 the closure of all Higgs and Supersymmetry related programs. I do not have any citation for this claim. More knowledgeable people can tell me if this is a true rumor.


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pessimist said:
This is an extremely speculative post. I came to know through a friend of mine, that his professor told him that CERN is going to announce by spring 2012 the closure of all Higgs and Supersymmetry related programs. I do not have any citation for this claim. More knowledgeable people can tell me if this is a true rumor.


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Some time, it is possible for news to get twisted around into an unrecognizable form from the original.

There is a PLANNED shutdown to upgrade the beam energy to the nominal value in 2012. It is NOT the "... closure of all Higgs and Supersymmetry .. " program. That would be utterly silly since you might as well shut down the collider for good.

Zz.
 
CERN anyways extended the LHC run to search for Higgs to mid 2012, so curtailing it by a quarter doesn't seem nonsense to me. I may be wrong ofcourse.
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1987868/cern_extends_lhcs_run_until_2012/index.html
 
ZapperZ said:
Some time, it is possible for news to get twisted around into an unrecognizable form from the original.

There is a PLANNED shutdown to upgrade the beam energy to the nominal value in 2012. It is NOT the "... closure of all Higgs and Supersymmetry .. " program. That would be utterly silly since you might as well shut down the collider for good.

Zz.

Thanks for the info.
 
CERN anyways extended the LHC run to search for Higgs to mid 2012
The current schedule is to continue proton collisions through Oct 2012 and ion collisions during Nov 2012. The "Long Shutdown" commences Dec 2012 and will last through 2013.

Possible improvements during 2012 include a slight increase in energy to 4 TeV per beam and an increase in luminosity of about 50 percent. Neither of these issues have been decided yet.
 

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