Is Cheating in Class Assignments OK?

[magpies]

Cal. Are you getting better at checking your own answers with this method?

Sometimes getting an answer on a test wrong isn't as bad as not getting it wrong if you get my drift.

 

[caljuice]

I hope I am getting better.

Not only do I get your drift, I'm on your drift. But are your saying it's because so I can learn from mistakes or for some moral reason? Okay, I only get your drift.

If it's to learn from my mistakes, it seems like the learning method will be the same. When I get my assignment back, the solutions get posted. Then I have to compare my work with the solutions and see what I did wrong. I'm doing the same just this time it is immediate and possibly higher mark.

 

[magpies]

Try it without checking the solution once then would be my suggestion to you.

It's both a moral thing and a learn from your mistakes thing imo.

When I was in high school the textbooks had like every other problems answer in the back so if I had wanted to I could have just auto maticaly got 1/2 of my answers right. However I for the most part never even checked the back of the book. Of course I was a fool and also most of the time didnt "do" my homework... Rebellion at its best :)

 

[DaveC426913]

No, they're not; they don't follow at all from anything I've said.

OK, rather than me defending my claims, let's go back to the initial point then and start from there - and put it back on topic.

Your claim is that it is not cheating if you don't get caught. Can you elaborate? How does that apply to the OP and how does it help him? He is concerned about the morality of the issue.

 

[DanP]

So I have in-class assignment every week. The questions on it are some of the challenge questions in textbook. I found the complete solution online so I try to do all the questions before the class to get ready. Since I know the correct answer and everything before doing it in class, is it considered cheating?

No it's not. Is the fault of your instructors not being able to come with a proper test.

 

[shoehorn]

OK, rather than me defending my claims, let's go back to the initial point then and start from there - and put it back on topic.

I'd rather not, if that's okay. The fact that you simply won't admit to making a whole slew of tangential, irrelevant, and really quite offensive assumptions about me and what I've said suggests that discussing this with you wouldn't be especially edifying.

I am, on the other hand, more than happy to discuss it with anyone else.

 

[leroyjenkens]

I'd rather not, if that's okay. The fact that you simply won't admit to making a whole slew of tangential, irrelevant, and really quite offensive assumptions about me and what I've said suggests that discussing this with you wouldn't be especially edifying.

I am, on the other hand, more than happy to discuss it with anyone else.

I'll take over from here Dave. Alright, shoehorn, what are we talking about?

 

[Chi Meson]

No it's not. Is the fault of your instructors not being able to come with a proper test.

I agree with this. I can make up problem in as much time, or faster than it takes to copy a problem from a book. The fact that the problems come out of the book suggest that you are intended to be able to do all "book problems," and know if you can do them correctly.

I'd still run this by the instructor.

By the way, isn't the semester over? Or is this a summer session already?

 

[Jack21222]

Note that the OP isn't asking whether it will hurt his marks (which is a pragmatic issue), he is asking if it is cheating (which is a moral issue).

Your reponse is tantamount to: don't worry about whether it's ethically wrong, since the practical damage is small.

You're exactly right. Thanks for restating my point to show you understand.

The purpose of school is to learn the material. As long as the OP learns the material, the moral concerns of cheating, especially on a borderline issue like this, don't bother me, and in my opinion, shouldn't bother anybody else.

Now, if the cheating is so severe that the OP doesn't learn the material yet gets a grade indicating that they DO understand the material, that's where my moral threshold is reached.

 

[DaveC426913]

... the moral concerns of cheating, especially on a borderline issue like this, don't bother me, and in my opinion, shouldn't bother anybody else.

Well, they seem to bother the OP...

 

[lisab]

You're exactly right. Thanks for restating my point to show you understand.

The purpose of school is to learn the material. As long as the OP learns the material, the moral concerns of cheating, especially on a borderline issue like this, don't bother me, and in my opinion, shouldn't bother anybody else.

Now, if the cheating is so severe that the OP doesn't learn the material yet gets a grade indicating that they DO understand the material, that's where my moral threshold is reached.

Every physics class I had in college was graded on a curve. So someone else's cheating would affect me personally (and everyone else in the class).

 

[magpies]

In that case you either cheat or get bad grades then huh?

 

[lisab]

In that case you either cheat or get bad grades then huh?

Well...there's always the "work like a dog and take the occasional hard knocks" route...

 

[magpies]

If it comes to that I'd rather just cheat :(