Is Conservation of Energy Demonstrated in Particle Motion from A to P?

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The problem involves a particle attached to a spring, exploring the conservation of energy as the particle is projected downwards from a point on the ceiling. The context includes concepts from mechanics, specifically relating to potential energy, kinetic energy, and elastic potential energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between potential energy, kinetic energy, and elastic potential energy in the context of the particle's motion. There are attempts to derive equations for conservation of energy, and questions arise regarding the interpretation of the spring's properties and the initial conditions of the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning assumptions about the problem setup and the definitions of terms used. Some guidance has been offered regarding the computation of total mechanical energy, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or interpretation of the equations involved.

Contextual Notes

There are uncertainties regarding the definitions of variables such as λ and the interpretation of the spring's behavior under the given conditions. Participants are also addressing potential misunderstandings about the particle's motion and the distances involved.

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Homework Statement



A particle P of mass m is attached to one end of a light string of natural length l whose other end is attached to a point A on a ceiling. When P hangs in equilibrium AP has length 5l/3. Show that if P is projected vertically downwards from A with speed √(3gl/2). P will come to instantaneous rest after moving a distance of 10l/3

Homework Equations



E.P.E= λx^2/2l, v^2=u^2+2gh, P.E= mgh

The Attempt at a Solution


Here, I have been asked to show that the total distance traveled by the particle is 10l/3 which we know is true if we think logically about it because when I take the particle up at A it travels 5l/3 and when it comes back to it's equilibrium position it again traverses 5l/3. When we lift the particle the work done in this case is P.E=mgh and when we project the particle vertically downwards then the work converts P.E into K.E and E.P.E where the equation of velocity is v^2=u^2-2gh → 0=u^2-2gh→ u^2=2gh. Should the total equation for the conservation of energy look like this that describes both the particle's action of going up and coming down
P.E= E.P.E + K.E
 
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I do not understand you explanation. The particle is not "taken up at A" and it does not travel 5l/3. The problem says that the entire length of the spring is 5l/3 in equilibrium, which a different statement.

Anyway, all you need here is to compute the total mechanical energy initially and the total mechanical energy at max elongation.
 
Shouldn't the equation of conservation of mechanical energy look like this P.E= E.P.E + K.E
mgh=λx^2/2l + mv^2/2
 
When I equate the whole thing like mgh=λx^2/2l + mv^2/2 taking velocity=√(3gl/2) I don't get h= 10l/3 why??
 
I am not sure what λx^2/2l means. Is it (λx^2)/(2l) or is it (λx^2/2)l? And what is λ anyway? This does not look like stiffness in Hooke's law.
 

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