Why is the elastic potential energy when extension is (a+l/20) included?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the conservation of energy in a system with a mass hanging on a string. The original poster is trying to understand why the elastic potential energy (EPE) is considered at an extension of (a+l/20) when the string is cut, questioning the presence of tension in the system.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the principle of conservation of energy, but is confused about the inclusion of EPE at a specific extension. Some participants clarify that tension exists in the equilibrium position, which affects the energy calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the implications of tension in the string and how it relates to the energy transformations occurring in the system. There are multiple interpretations being examined regarding the role of elastic potential energy and gravitational potential energy in the context of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the effects of the string being cut and the resulting tension, as well as the specific extensions involved in the energy calculations. The original poster's understanding of the system's dynamics is being challenged and explored.

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1. Homework Statement
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I'm working on the second part of this question and I want to find the initial speed before P strikes the barrier.
So I used principle of conservation of energy,
K.E at Equilibrium position + elastic p.e. at Equilibrium positon = K.E just before it strikes the barrier + G.P.E at the barrier

But according to the solutions,
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Why Is the e.p.e when extension is (a+l/20) included? I thought the string is cut, so there shouldn't be any tension anymore

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If the mass is hanging on the string, then there will be tension in the equilibrium position. The tension in the string must balance the gravitational force on the mass.
 
The KE when descending through the equilibrium position will be the same as when ascending through it.
It starts with no KE, but elastic PE corresponding to an extension of a+l/20, a being the equilibrium extension. In rising to the equilibrium position, it gains mgl/20 in GPE, but its extension decreases to a. Thus the gain in KE is EPE(a+l/20)-EPE(a)-GPE(l/20).
 
PeroK said:
If the mass is hanging on the string, then there will be tension in the equilibrium position. The tension in the string must balance the gravitational force on the mass.
haruspex said:
The KE when descending through the equilibrium position will be the same as when ascending through it.
It starts with no KE, but elastic PE corresponding to an extension of a+l/20, a being the equilibrium extension. In rising to the equilibrium position, it gains mgl/20 in GPE, but its extension decreases to a. Thus the gain in KE is EPE(a+l/20)-EPE(a)-GPE(l/20).
Ok thank you.
 

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