Is con't fn maps compact sets to compact sets converse true?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether the converse of the theorem stating that continuous functions map compact sets to compact sets is true. Specifically, it examines if the image of a compact set under a continuous function implies that the original set is compact.

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  • One participant questions whether the image of a set S under a continuous map f being compact implies that S itself is compact, seeking justification for this assertion.
  • Another participant asserts that the initial claim is insufficient to prove the converse, noting that f may not have a continuous inverse or may not have an inverse at all.
  • A suggestion is made to consider counter-examples to evaluate the truth of the converse.
  • One participant proposes the function f(x) = 0 for any member of R^n as a potential counter-example.
  • Another participant reflects on a similar example provided by their professor, discussing the implications of a constant function and the compactness of sets formed by points on a line.
  • There is uncertainty expressed regarding the compactness of sets made up of points on a line, with a participant questioning whether such a set is closed and thus compact.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the converse is true or false, and multiple competing views remain regarding the implications of continuous functions and compactness.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of compactness and continuity, as well as the conditions under which the converse may or may not hold. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about specific examples and their implications for compactness.

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Is "con't fn maps compact sets to compact sets" converse true?

The question is here,
Suppose that the image of the set S under the continuous map f: s belongs to R^n ->R is compact, does it follow that the set S is compact? Justify your ans.

I already know how to prove the original thm, it requires us using another thm: Given S belongs to R^n, a belongs to S, and f: S->R^m, the following are equivalent:
a. f is con't at a.
b. For any {x_k}sequence in S that converges to a, the sequence {f(x_k)} converges to f(a).

If I need to prove the question on the top, I have to get the converse of this thm first.

And I see someone post a similar question before, please take a look as well:

"That f is continuous and that there is a continuous inverse, g, say.

So all we're doing is using the more basic fact that the continuous image of a compact set is compact.

Ie K compact implies f(K) compact, and f(K) compact imples gf(K)=K is compact."

Here, I agree this method, but I doubt this is not enough to prove my question, isn't it?
 
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Indeed it is not enough to prove your assertion, as f may not have a continuous inverse. It may not have an inverse at all!

Do you think the converse is true or false? Have you tried looking for counter-examples?
 


Think about the function f(x)= 0 for x any member of Rn.
 


HallsofIvy said:
Think about the function f(x)= 0 for x any member of Rn.

you are right, but i still don't 100% get it.

my professor gave me a similar example, f(x)=c.

as you said, x can be any number, assume S={x_k}, f(S)=c, right?

but if a set is made up by the points on a line, say y=c, then this is not compact because it's not closed?
i am not sure here.
if the set of points on a line is counted to be a compact set, then you are right because {x_k} is not compact.
 

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