Is Creativity Solvable Like a P = NP Problem?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the relationship between creativity and the P=NP problem, questioning whether creativity can be systematically generated or solved like a computational problem. Participants examine the nature of creativity in music composition, the challenges of defining "brilliance," and the implications of computational theories on artistic creation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that creating brilliant music cannot be done on command and is often a matter of chance or talent.
  • Others assert that professional composers and musicians can indeed create music on demand through learned skills and practice.
  • A participant suggests that the definition of "brilliant" music may vary, complicating the discussion about creativity.
  • Some participants reference historical examples of commissioned works to challenge the notion that creativity is purely accidental.
  • There is a discussion about the subjective nature of judging music, with varying criteria such as emotional response, technical skill, and commercial success influencing opinions.
  • One participant connects the P=NP problem to the idea of determining the brilliance of a musical piece before it is created, highlighting the complexity of this relationship.
  • Another participant mentions a pattern of incremental innovation in music and inventions, suggesting that creativity may often involve refinement rather than groundbreaking originality.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether creativity can be reliably generated and how it should be defined. There is no consensus on the nature of brilliance in music or the implications of the P=NP problem in relation to creativity.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the subjective nature of creativity and the challenges in defining terms like "brilliant." The discussion also highlights the complexity of applying computational theories to artistic endeavors, which may not have universally accepted metrics.

  • #31
zoobyshoe said:
I don't think anyone else in this thread has a problem with this. I assume that is because, in the background, everyone's thinking in terms of this being a potential AI problem, one that could be given to an "intelligent" computer program to try and solve someday: write a brilliant piece of music, or write a brilliant short story. Regardless, it doesn't seem to have bothered anyone else.
Hmmm, I seem to be reading a different thread. :biggrin:

From the OP explaining this thread. https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/creativity-is-a-p-np-problem.813205/#post-5105787
 
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  • #32
DennisN said:
I agree with billy_joule above.
There are many examples in history which speaks against this assertion. E.g. there are countless famous soundtracks (for e.g. movies and television) which have been commissioned. And here are four very famous and highly regarded works by classical composers, which were commissioned:

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It may be, depending on the situation. But if the person who creates it has got talent and experience, it's a lot more easy to do.

The fact that famous works were commissioned doesn't prove the original premise was flawed.

Creating a masterpiece on demand is like Babe Ruth promising the kid in the hospital that he'd hit a home run for him in his next game. Babe Ruth only hit 60 home runs in his best season. There's no way he has a 100% chance of hitting a home run for that kid, even if he happened to know the pitcher he'd be facing the next day stunk.

But if you're going to pay someone to hit a home run for you, paying a person that hits a lot of home runs would be a good choice.

You're commissioning someone to create a piece of work for you because paying that particular person gives you a decent chance of getting a masterpiece in return. You're also taking your chances the work will be a dud.

Creating a masterpiece may not be quite as rare as the original poster suggests when you're talking about a great artist, but his premise that you can't guarantee ahead of time that a great artist's work will be a masterpiece is still valid.
 
  • #33
BobG said:
The fact that famous works were commissioned doesn't prove the original premise was flawed.
I misunderstood and/or underestimated what the OP meant by "brilliant" - the OP then started talking about "classics" and "masterpieces" in post #17, which made me write my next post #19 in which I wrote about "brilliant, meaning widely regarded as brilliant by others" etc...
 

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