Is Deforestation a Growing Threat in South American Rainforests?

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The discussion revolves around the topic of deforestation in South American rainforests, particularly focusing on its prevalence and implications. Participants explore the differences in deforestation rates across various regions, including North America and Africa, while seeking to understand the broader context of environmental changes in tropical rainforests.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that deforestation is not a significant issue in North America, but they question its status in Africa and South American tropical rainforests.
  • There is a distinction made between tree farms and natural forests, with concerns raised about the lack of biodiversity in tree farms.
  • One participant mentions the quantifiable nature of desertification and deforestation, suggesting that satellite imagery can provide concrete data on land cover changes over time.
  • Another participant describes the transformation of tropical rainforest soils into less permeable surfaces following extensive clearcutting, which complicates the regrowth of vegetation.
  • Links to external resources on deforestation are shared, indicating interest in empirical data and historical context.
  • A participant expresses curiosity about historical data on deforestation trends, particularly from before the last 30 years.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the status of deforestation in South American rainforests, with differing views on its significance and the implications of tree farming versus natural forests. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall impact and trends of deforestation.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific definitions of deforestation and may depend on the interpretation of satellite imagery data. The discussion includes varying assumptions about the visibility and impact of deforestation across different regions.

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I'm still looking on deforestation. In North America, it is definitely false, but what about in Africa, and in South American tropical rainforests. Anyone want to help me look?
 
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Mk said:
I'm still looking on deforestation. In North America, it is definitely false,

A tree farm is not a forest. There is no diversity.
 
Mk said:
I'm still looking on deforestation. In North America, it is definitely false, but what about in Africa, and in South American tropical rainforests. Anyone want to help me look?

Care to elaborate?
 
I don't feel like it. Maybe tomorrow. Sorry.

I saw a tree farm one time. It was all Christmas trees. Its like a forest of Christmas. :cry: So beautiful. Actually it wasn't.
 
As an aside - a myth is a story that humans use explain the world to each other. At least that wass the primary meaning - now it's degenerated into a derogatory term - it means a completely false tale, in a perjorative sense.

You do realize that cultural anthropologists categorize any story that explains how we (us humans) came to be as a creation myth. That includes the story in Genesis.

-- just a pet peeve about words going down the sewer... :)
 
Oh - I meant to answer - desertification and deforestation are quantifiable.
That means we can get real numbers - in this case percent of land that has gone from 100% vegetative cover and remain at 10% percent over time, using infared satellite imagery taken over longer periods of time.

For example, tropical rainforest soils (lateritic soils), when they experience clearcut over very large areas actually turn into something akin to ceramic.
They become much less permeable, and plants have a tough time repopulating those areas. So they stay pretty much bare for long periods of time. If you do this to several hundred thousand acres of land every year and it does not grow back, why, then this shows up in satellite images.

Just because you don't see it personally does not mean it has no substance to it.
 
Thanks robphy, I "mythed" putting up some links.
 
Thanks for the links robphy, it looks like the Amazonian rainforest is shrinking slightly. What about data from before 30 years ago?
 

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