Australia's drought and bushfires, a personal view

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The discussion centers on the severe drought and bushfire conditions in Australia, particularly in the context of climate change, water management strategies, and the socio-economic impacts on communities and agriculture. Participants share personal observations and propose various solutions while exploring the broader implications of these environmental challenges.

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  • One participant describes the dire situation faced by farmers in Australia due to prolonged drought, highlighting the loss of crops and livestock and the impact on local economies.
  • Another participant suggests that the drought and bushfires may be linked to climate change, questioning the local acceptance of this idea and how it is discussed in Australia.
  • Several participants propose the need for large-scale desalination plants as a long-term solution to water scarcity, noting the infrastructure challenges involved.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for future conflicts over water resources, with a participant discussing the costs of war versus the costs of investing in desalination infrastructure.
  • One participant references historical droughts and questions the differences in the current situation, particularly regarding the frequency and intensity of bushfires.
  • There is a discussion about the perception of climate change in Australia, with some participants expressing frustration over the country's emissions policies compared to larger polluters like China.
  • Ideas for smaller-scale water conservation measures are mentioned, such as improving shower efficiency, but there is skepticism about whether such changes will be adopted without a crisis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the causes and implications of the drought and bushfires, with no consensus on the effectiveness of proposed solutions like desalination or the role of climate change in these events. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approaches to address the water crisis and environmental challenges.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various historical droughts and environmental conditions, indicating a complex interplay of factors influencing the current situation. There are also mentions of differing perceptions of climate change and its implications for policy in Australia.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals concerned with environmental science, climate policy, water resource management, and the socio-economic impacts of climate change in Australia.

  • #31
davenn said:
Yes, so much larger than anything before
Yes, unprecedented. Yet, "Authorities are bracing for a dangerous new phase in the bushfires tonight, with high temperatures and strong winds set to exacerbate the already devastating fire conditions across the country." Unimaginable.

https://www.news.com.au/national/new-south-wales-victoria-and-south-australia-bushfires-crisis-day-of-hell-arrives/live-coverage/8461073cb45dfc0abd5d2048410b221f

And - "Meanwhile, a picture of devastation is emerging on Kangaroo Island in South Australia – half of which has been razed by an out-of-control blaze that has killed at least two people." Half of kangaroo island!

https://7news.com.au/news/bushfires...nds-of-koalas-feared-injured-or-dead-c-632614

https://www.ffm.vic.gov.au/history-and-incidents/past-bushfires
"Fire agencies responded to more than 1,000 fires across Victoria from mid-December 2006 to mid-March 2007. The total area burned exceeded 1,200,000 hectares." The current set of fires has already covered 5 times that, > 6.3M hectares.

https://www.news.com.au/national/severe-weather-update-bom-maps-wind-change-across-fire-affected-regions/video/63f1d62d6a15a4cd876bf436287e5c34
 
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I am surprised by Kangaroo Island. The climate is not as severe as around Sydney at the moment. One site describes the climate as "Kangaroo Island never really gets too hot or too cold. In fact, the average temperature here is between 11 and 19°C. Winters (June to September) are mild and wet, while summers (December to February) are warm and dry." https://kangarooisland-australia.com/kangaroo-island-weather.php

It's surrounded by water, yet dry enough to have a massive bushfire!
 
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Looking back, I found the following comment in 2011 reflecting on the fire seasons in the 1970s: "A scientist warns Australia faces a catastrophic bushfire risk, similar to a summer of the mid-1970s when 15 per cent of the continent went up in flames." https://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-06/bushfires-summer-csiro-warning/3317630

I remember vividly the 1969 bushfire between Melbourne and Geelong. "On the 8th January 1969, 280 fires broke out in Victoria. Of these,12 grass fires reached major proportions and burnt out 250,000 hectares. Areas seriously affected included Lara, Daylesford, Dulgana, Yea, Darraweit, Kangaroo Flat and Korongvale. Twenty-three people died, including 17 motorists at Lara, trapped on the Geelong to Melbourne freeway. The fires also destroyed 230 houses, 21 other buildings and more than 12,000 stock."
http://monumentaustralia.org.au/themes/disaster/fire/display/95415-1969-lara-bushfire

It was personal since my grandfather was station master in Lara. I believe he had just left the position and moved to Melbourne. He relayed the devastation of various landmarks, such as the grain silos, we used to visit. My brother and I would spend holidays and weekends (back in the early 1960s) in Lara and just hang out at the train station and play in the rail yard.
 
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  • #38
Please keep us posted. I will look it up on the web but locals tend to know more details. And good luck, hope you won't be in the news much longer -- at least not for the wrong reasons.
 
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I found this video, which gives a good impression of what we are talking about.

 
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fresh_42 said:
I found this video, which gives a good impression of what we are talking about.
OMG that is fast. Very scary.
 
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