Is Differentiation an Operator That Forms a Group?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of group theory to differentiation, exploring whether differentiation can be considered an operator that forms a group. Participants examine the nature of differentiation as unary or binary, its properties, and its relationship with integration and function sets.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether differentiation is unary or binary, noting that it is typically expressed as d(f), which suggests a unary operation, but also requires knowledge of the variable with respect to which differentiation occurs.
  • There is a suggestion that differentiation is distributive but not associative, although this is not universally accepted.
  • One participant proposes defining a set of functions for which the derivative exists and describes the derivative operator as a function mapping from this set to another set of functions.
  • Another participant mentions that the set of all smooth bijective functions forms a group under function composition, although this claim is contested regarding the existence of smooth inverses.
  • There is a discussion about the action of integers on smooth functions through differentiation, with the possibility of extending this to real numbers using fractional calculus.
  • A challenge is raised regarding the fact that different functions can have the same derivative, suggesting a restriction to functions that satisfy certain conditions to allow for a group structure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether differentiation can be classified as a unary or binary operation, and there is no consensus on the properties of differentiation in the context of group theory. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the classification of differentiation and the implications for group structure.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the need for clarity on the definitions of sets involved, the conditions under which differentiation is applied, and the implications of functions having the same derivative. These factors contribute to the complexity of establishing a group structure based on differentiation.

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I'm learning about group theory and wanted to apply it to something other than + and *, and I'm having trouble understanding how it can be applied to differentiation. I can see that integration would be the inverse, but is it binary of unary? Since you would write it as d(f), it appears unary, but you also have to know what variable to differentiate with respect to... Do you see the paradox?

I also noticed it is distributive but I don't think it's associative...
 
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What about the sets it operates on, how could you make a set with elements that are expressions? (maybe I should study set theory some more...)
 


TylerH said:
I'm learning about group theory and wanted to apply it to something other than + and *, and I'm having trouble understanding how it can be applied to differentiation. I can see that integration would be the inverse, but is it binary of unary? Since you would write it as d(f), it appears unary, but you also have to know what variable to differentiate with respect to... Do you see the paradox?

I also noticed it is distributive but I don't think it's associative...

Like you said, groups involve binary operators: differentiation does not: it is an unary operator.
 


TylerH said:
Since you would write it as d(f), it appears unary, but you also have to know what variable to differentiate with respect to... Do you see the paradox?
There is no paradox. Let X be the set of functions from ℝ into ℝ, and let S be the set of all f in X such that for all x in ℝ, the limit

[tex]\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}[/tex]

exists. The derivative operator D is a function from S into X, defined as follows. For each function f in S, we define a function f' by

[tex]f'(x)=\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}[/tex]

for all x. Then we define D:S→X by Df=f'.

(Note that the expressions f and f' represent functions while the expressions f(x) and f'(x) represent numbers in the ranges of those functions).

A good example of a group that doesn't have addition or multiplication as the group operation is the group of permutations on a set X (i.e. the set of bijections from X into X with composition of functions as the binary operation).
 


Also, the set of all smooth (continuously differentiable to all degrees) bijective functions is a group under the group operation of function composition.
 


What you probably can do is look at the set of all smooth functions. Then the integers [tex]\mathbb{Z}[/tex] act on this set by differentiation.Thus we put an action on the smooth functions as

[tex]n\cdot f=f^{(n)}[/tex]

However, this would also require negative derivatives, but I don't think that will pose a problem.

Using fractional calculus, we can even let [tex]\mathbb{R}[/tex] act on the set of smooth functions. Using the same action.

I'll leave it to you to fill in the details :smile:
 


micromass: Somehow you will have to deal with the fact that two different functions can have the same derivative (if they differ by a constant). If you restrict yourself to functions where, say, f(0) = 0, then you could indeed allow Z to act on the set of such functions (where 1 acts by differentiation).

slider142 said:
Also, the set of all smooth (continuously differentiable to all degrees) bijective functions is a group under the group operation of function composition.

False. The function f: R -> R, f(x) = x3, is smooth and bijective but does not have a smooth inverse.
 

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