Is Einstein's Use of God and Questionable Quotes Justifiable?

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The discussion revolves around the justifiability of Einstein's use of religious references in his quotes, particularly regarding his views on quantum mechanics and the nature of reality. Participants explore the implications of his statements, their interpretations, and the impact of his philosophical beliefs on his scientific contributions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern over Einstein's incorporation of God into scientific discourse, questioning the appropriateness of such references in the context of scientific inquiry.
  • Others defend Einstein's right to express his opinions, emphasizing his status as a leading scientist and the context of his quotes as reflective of his philosophical beliefs.
  • There are discussions about the interpretation of Einstein's quotes, with some suggesting they were meant humorously or to illustrate his understanding of human nature.
  • Participants highlight Einstein's significant contributions to science while acknowledging his personal flaws and biases, suggesting that these do not diminish his achievements.
  • Some argue that Einstein's quotes can be interpreted in multiple ways, particularly regarding the relationship between theory and experimental evidence.
  • There is a mention of Einstein's philosophical alignment with Spinoza, which may clarify his views on order and randomness in the universe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the appropriateness of Einstein's use of religious language or the implications of his quotes. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of his statements and their relevance to scientific practice.

Contextual Notes

Some statements reflect personal interpretations of Einstein's character and philosophy, which may depend on individual perspectives and understanding of his work. The discussion includes references to historical context and philosophical influences that are not universally agreed upon.

  • #31
Other people have made that same point in this thread (Spinoza) and it makes sense to me.

I am certain, however, that a term like "Der Alte" has a very specific meaning and useage that would prevent it from being synonymous with "God" in all contexts. As long as Einstein seems to have been claiming knowledge of "God's" modus operandi, Paden Roder will be in discomfort. If we can discover that "Der Alte" was really merely "Natura Creatans" Paden Roder may be able to wipe this irritating bit of tarnish off his Einstein shrine.
 
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  • #32
Originally posted by PRodQuanta
Ok, first off Chi Meson, let me use an analogy to explain what I mean by "what gave him the right".

Chi Meson is a great baseball player.

Now, what gives me the right to say that? Do I know you? No! For all I know, you may be, so my statement is half true. But yet, it's half false. And because I don't know, I have no right to assume.

Now I'm not a very religious man, but even if I was or wasn't, it wouldn't make a difference. I KNOW Einstein didn't know God, so he had no right to say what he does or thinks or whatever in whatever language he says it in. Opinion? Maybe, but that wasn't my statement in the first place.

Paden Roder

Perhaps you are confusing me with the author of another response. I do not deny you the right to question anything. Nor would I deny anyone the right to state their opinion of the nature of the universe. Why do you?


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oh, and I'm horrible at baseball. I was a great golie in soccer once.
 
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  • #33
Sorry chi meson, I did intend that post towards another poster. It was directed towards The_Brain. My apologies.

Paden Roder
 
  • #34
Originally posted by PRodQuanta
Thoughts??
Yes, two.

First thought - according to The Expanded Quotable Einstein the quote/saying When the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts is often attributed to Einstein but is probably not by Einstein. Second thought - this quote by Einstein: The truth of a theory can never be proven, for one never knows if future experience will contradict its conclusions.
 

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