Is energy convertible to matter?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether energy can be converted to matter, exploring theoretical implications and practical examples, particularly in the context of particle physics and Einstein's mass-energy equivalence.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that energy can be converted to matter, citing examples from particle colliders where high-energy collisions produce new particles.
  • Others argue that energy is a property and cannot exist independently, suggesting that photons can be converted into matter (e.g., electron-positron pairs) under specific conditions.
  • There are discussions about the implications of Einstein's equation E=mc², with some participants exploring rearrangements of the equation and its meaning in different contexts.
  • One participant questions the analogy of converting energy to matter, comparing it to the impossibility of converting length in a table.
  • Another participant discusses the relationship between mass, energy, and the speed of light, mentioning that mass becomes infinite as an object approaches light speed.
  • There are mentions of different types of mass (relativistic mass, rest mass, invariant mass) and their implications in the context of energy and matter.

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Participants express competing views on whether energy can be converted to matter, with no consensus reached. Some support the idea while others challenge it, leading to an unresolved discussion.

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Participants highlight the complexity of mass-energy equivalence and its implications, noting that the discussion involves assumptions about definitions and the nature of energy and matter.

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Can we convert energy to matter?
 
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No, but we can convert photons to matter, which may be what you actually wanted to ask.

Energy is a property, not a "thing".
 
Aromal said:
Can we convert energy to matter?

Yes! We do it on a regular basis, actually. In particle colliders like LHC, two particles are accelerated until they have a lot of kinetic energy, you smash them together, and you end up with a whole bunch more particles than you started with.
 
DaleSpam said:
Energy is a property, not a "thing".

And that property allows you to produce more matter since particle number isn't conserved in QFT. I don't understand your point.
 
typically you are going to have particles becoming other particles. I think this is what DaleSpam means.
 
Einstein's Energy Equation E=mc2. Can we write the reverse equation as
m=E/c2 ?
 
LastOneStanding said:
And that property allows you to produce more matter since particle number isn't conserved in QFT. I don't understand your point.
You can convert things with energy (e.g. a pair of photons) into other things with energy (e.g. an electron and positron). Energy doesn't exist by itself, so you cannot simply convert energy (without an accompanying thing) into matter.

This is important because any of the things that have energy also have other properties, such as spin, or momentum, or charge, etc.
 
BruceW said:
typically you are going to have particles becoming other particles. I think this is what DaleSpam means.
Yes.
 
Aromal said:
Einstein's Energy Equation E=mc2. Can we write the reverse equation as
m=E/c2 ?
Certainly, and you can write E/c=mc, and you can write E/m=c², and you can write mc²/E=1, and any other permutation I may have missed. You can add a constant to both sides, square both sides, do whatever you like. All of the normal rules of math apply.
 
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Aromal said:
Einstein's Energy Equation E=mc2. Can we write the reverse equation as
m=E/c2 ?
yes. as long as 'm' stands for relativistic mass. In essence, c^2 is just a conversion of units. you can even use natural units where c=1, so that E=m i.e. relativistic mass is just another word for energy.

Also, there are two other concepts: rest mass and invariant mass. These are different from the relativistic mass, and follow other equations.
 
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Thank you Dalespam I got the idea.. I did'nt know energy is a property still now.
 
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BruceW,thanks
 
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yes, energy can be condensed to mass.
 
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I would like to see all permutations and the meaning. Like C=√e/m
Is this the reason we cannot get matter to light speed?
 
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zdroide said:
Is this the reason we cannot get matter to light speed?
It is related. The formula ##E=m c^2## is the formula for the energy of a system whose momentum, ##p=0##. In other words, it is the energy at rest.

For a system which is moving the more general formula is ##E^2/c^2=m^2 c^2+p^2##. For a massive particle ##p=mv/\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}## which goes to infinity as v goes to c.
 
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zdroide said:
I would like to see all permutations and the meaning.
The meaning is the same, that rest energy and mass are equivalent. Two things that were previously thought to be different are instead the same.

You see the phrase "matter is converted to energy" as an explanation for things like the explosion of a uranium bomb where there is a reduction in mass equivalent to a production of energy. The point of the mass-energy equivalence, though, is that the energy was there all along, we just didn't recognize it as energy. We recognized it as mass. Thus the notion of mass being a measure of the amount of matter has to be abandoned. But the very phrase "matter is converted to energy" is a remnant of that now-abandoned notion.

This conversion of mass to energy is not unique to nuclear explosions. The same thing happens in a camp fire, but the reduction in mass is too small to be measured, so previous notions (notions that mass and rest energy are different things) ignored it. Indeed, how is one supposed to not ignore something one cannot detect?!

Is this the reason we cannot get matter to light speed?

No. It's rather the other way around. The postulate is that light speed is the same to all observers. So if you, as an observer, were to chase after a light beam you'd never make progress because you would forever see it recede from you at light speed. It therefore follows that you can never attain light speed. And the mass-energy equivalence also follows from that same idea. It's all based on the Principle of Relativity, something that dates back to the time of Galileo. Einstein is famous for incorporating the propagation of light into that principle, and in the process coming up with the mass-energy equivalence.
 
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Aromal said:
Can we convert energy to matter?

You bet. One example is that when the concentration of energy becomes very high it sort of congeals into an electron-positron pair.
 
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I understand that at speed of light, mass go infinite and time should collapse. It will need infinite power to move one gram at light speed. A backwards mirror would may show slow motion or all time compress. I did not look at this.
Can you transform e=mc^2 and isolate c. What this equation mean, in static or moving form.
I may missing knowledge. But square of speed of light is a big speed.
Seem to work on atom level.
It is easier to understand pi since you can calculate it easy with any circle
 
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Hornbein said:
"Can we convert energy to matter" You bet. One example is that when the concentration of energy becomes very high it sort of congeals into an electron-positron pair.
No. One example is: a table has some lenght. Can we "convert length in a table?" Of course not. In the same way "a portion of matter has some energy, so we cannot convert energy into matter".

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zdroide said:
Can you transform e=mc^2 and isolate c.
You can do this, but it doesn't change the meaning at all. This is off topic for this thread, if you want to discuss rearrangements of formulas more then please start a new thread. But I don't anticipate that you will get anything interesting since it doesn't change the meaning.

I am going to go ahead and close this thread.
 

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