Is English Grammar Objective or Automatable?

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The discussion centers on the nature of English grammar, debating whether it is objective or subjective and if it can be automated. Participants assert that grammar has objective rules but is often subjectively applied, leading to misunderstandings. They highlight that while software tools can check grammar, such as word processors, these tools are not foolproof due to the complexity of human language and communication. The conversation also touches on the evolution of grammar rules based on common usage and the influence of linguistics on understanding language structure.

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  • #31
You mean humans could make it easier for computers by adopting grammar with built-in pointers that direct back to the hierarchy that generated them - and then stuck to those rules :-)

I spent a few years with AI types in the early 70s. Speech recognition was one of the best funded areas (all those military intelligence applications!). That was when the gap between AI and real I became clear to me.
 
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  • #32
apeiron said:
You mean humans could make it easier for computers by adopting grammar with built-in pointers that direct back to the hierarchy that generated them - and then stuck to those rules :-)
You mean like Germans?
 
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apeiron said:
I spent a few years with AI types in the early 70s. Speech recognition was one of the best funded areas (all those military intelligence applications!). That was when the gap between AI and real I became clear to me.

Like I said, the AI types I worked with clearly recognized that AI was not intended to model the human brain. Do you know what "real I" is?
 
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SW VandeCarr said:
Do you know what "real I" is?

Yes. And that's why I switched to hierarchy theory, dissipative structure and systems science approaches to the questions that interested me.

And the GOFAI dreamers still exist. Check out the enthusiasm for Kurzweil's singularity for instance.
 

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