Is every countable set infinite?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of countable sets in set theory, specifically questioning whether every countable set is infinite. The original poster presents their reasoning based on the relationship between countable sets and the set of positive integers.

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  • The original poster attempts to establish that since countable sets can be put in one-to-one correspondence with the positive integers, they must be infinite. Other participants discuss definitions of countability and explore implications of subsets of countable sets.

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Participants are engaging in clarifying definitions and exploring logical implications related to countable sets. Some guidance has been provided regarding the definitions of countability and the relationship between subsets and countability, but no consensus has been reached on all points raised.

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There is mention of varying definitions of countability in different texts, which may influence the understanding of the problem. The discussion also touches on the implications of subsets being countable or finite.

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Question is the same as the title.

What I think is that since every countable set C ~ Z+( all positive integers) and Z+ is infinite, then C is also infinite. Sounds straightfoward but I need to check it.

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Ronn
 
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Yes, using that definition- a set having a one-to-one correspondence with the positive real numbers- is necessarily infinite. You can use the phrase "at most countable" to include finite sets if you like.

Be aware, however, that some books use the term "countable" to include finite sets- defining countable to mean there is a one-to-one function from the set into (not necessarily "onto") the positive integers - and then say "countably infinite" for the situation above.
 
Thanks for the really fast reply. I've got another related question.

1. If A is a subset of B and B is countable, then A is at most countable?

If 1 is correct, then A is either finite or countable by definition.

2. What if A is known to be infinite,then is it safe to say A is countable? i.e., Since A is either finite or countable, if A is infinite it is the other case where A is countable.

Thanks again!

Ronn
 
Yes, 1 is correct. For 2, sure, if A is contained in the countable set B, then it's at most countable. So if it's infinite, then it's countable.
 

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