Is every countable set infinite?

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of countable sets and their relation to infinite sets. It is concluded that any set with a one-to-one correspondence with the positive integers is considered to be infinite. The term "at most countable" may be used to also include finite sets. Additionally, if a set A is a subset of a countable set B, then A is also at most countable. If A is known to be infinite, then it is safe to say that A is countable.
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Ronn
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Question is the same as the title.

What I think is that since every countable set C ~ Z+( all positive integers) and Z+ is infinite, then C is also infinite. Sounds straightfoward but I need to check it.

Thanks,

Ronn
 
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Yes, using that definition- a set having a one-to-one correspondence with the positive real numbers- is necessarily infinite. You can use the phrase "at most countable" to include finite sets if you like.

Be aware, however, that some books use the term "countable" to include finite sets- defining countable to mean there is a one-to-one function from the set into (not necessarily "onto") the positive integers - and then say "countably infinite" for the situation above.
 
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Thanks for the really fast reply. I've got another related question.

1. If A is a subset of B and B is countable, then A is at most countable?

If 1 is correct, then A is either finite or countable by definition.

2. What if A is known to be infinite,then is it safe to say A is countable? i.e., Since A is either finite or countable, if A is infinite it is the other case where A is countable.

Thanks again!

Ronn
 
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Yes, 1 is correct. For 2, sure, if A is contained in the countable set B, then it's at most countable. So if it's infinite, then it's countable.
 

1. What is a countable set?

A countable set is a set that can be put into a one-to-one correspondence with the natural numbers (1, 2, 3, ...). In other words, it is a set that has a finite or infinite number of elements that can be counted.

2. Is every countable set infinite?

No, not every countable set is infinite. For example, the set of all even numbers is countable but finite, as it can be put into a one-to-one correspondence with the natural numbers (2, 4, 6, ...).

3. How do you prove that a countable set is infinite?

To prove that a countable set is infinite, you would need to show that it cannot be put into a one-to-one correspondence with a proper subset of itself. This means that there would always be more elements in the set that cannot be paired with elements in the subset, indicating that the set is infinite.

4. Are there any examples of countable sets that are not infinite?

Yes, there are examples of countable sets that are not infinite. As mentioned before, the set of even numbers is a countable set that is finite. There are also countable sets that have a finite number of elements, such as the set of all prime numbers.

5. Can a countable set have an uncountable subset?

Yes, a countable set can have an uncountable subset. For example, the set of all real numbers is uncountable, but it has a countable subset of natural numbers. This is because the set of real numbers contains infinitely many elements that cannot be put into a one-to-one correspondence with the natural numbers.

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