Is Every Sequentially Compact, Separable Metric Space Compact?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between sequentially compact, separable metric spaces and compactness. Participants are exploring how to prove that every metric space that is sequentially compact and separable is also compact, focusing on the definitions and implications of these properties.

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  • Participants discuss the definitions of compactness, sequential compactness, and separability, questioning the necessity of the separable condition. They explore the implications of assuming an open cover without a finite subcover and consider constructing sequences to demonstrate contradictions.

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The conversation is active, with various approaches being suggested. Some participants are attempting to clarify the relationship between the properties of the space and the implications for open covers, while others are exploring specific examples and counterexamples to support their reasoning.

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There is a focus on the definitions of compactness in terms of open covers and the potential need for completeness in the context of non-compact spaces. Participants are also considering the implications of using dense subsets and nested open sets in their arguments.

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How do I prove that every metric space that is sequentially compact and separable is compact? I can't seem to use either hypotheses.
 
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A metric space is compact iff it is complete and totally bounded. Also, I don't think the separable condition is needed.
 
That's if you use the sequential definition of compactness. Here 'compactness' alone is defined a la topology; i.e., open covers, etc. Basically, I want to prove that if X is sequentially compact and separable (sequential => separable, but I can assume it without proof, since I proved in some earlier place), then for all open cover there exists a finite subcover for X.
 
I thought if you couldn't just use that fact, it might at least be a good stepping stone. But actually it's probably easier to use sequential compactness as a stepping stone to get that fact.

If so, I would try assuming there is some open cover that has no finite subcover and use it to construct a sequence with no convergent subsequence. Specifically, construct a sequence of infinitely many disjoint open balls.
 
Even if you construct such a sequence of open balls, how would you construct a sequence of points in X that has no convergent subsequence? X is sequentially compact.

The sequence of points in X must converge to something outside of X, but I can't think of what, since X could be complete.
 
If X is complete and non-compact, it is not totally bounded. Take the real numbers for example. One open cover of them are the sets (n-1,n+1) as n ranges over the integers. One infinite sequence with no convergent subsequence is n, as n ranges over the integers. The connection won't be as straightforward in general, but you should be able to find one.
 
X is sequentially compact and separable, and hence if an open cover A does not have a finite subcover, it has a countable subcover since we can map a dense subset into a countable subcover of A. Take an element that is in X\Ai for i=1 to infty and form a sequence, that sequence has a convergent subsequence that cannot converge to anything in the subcover, and hence outside X. Contradiction.

I don't know where you're getting at with completeness though.
 
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X is sequentially compact and separable, and hence if an open cover A does not have a finite subcover, it has a countable subcover since we can map a dense subset into a countable subcover of A.

I'll agree with your conclusion, but I don't know what "since we can map a dense subset into a countable subcover of A" means.

Take an element that is in X\Ai for i=1 to infty and form a sequence, that sequence has a convergent subsequence that cannot converge to anything in the subcover, and hence outside X.

Why not? For example, if X is the set of real numbers and your cover is (n-1,n+1), take x_i=1 for the index corresponding to (-1,1) and x_i=0 for all other terms and you have a convergent sequence. I think you'll need your sets to be disjoint, and then pick an element in each set. I'm not 100% sure though. Sorry, I'm really busy now, but I'll look over this more carefully later tonight. If you need help sooner, maybe someone else has some ideas...
 
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Ok, I've thought about it a bit more. Your idea in post 7 was on the right track, but you need the open sets to be nested. Pick x_i outside of A_i, then you can show that each A_i can only contain finitely many of the x_i, and use this to show there can be no convergent subsequence.
 

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