Is Force Definable with Given Velocity, Time, and Displacement Data?

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The discussion revolves around whether force can be defined using given kinematic data, specifically the height change of a body, time, and velocity. The context is rooted in classical mechanics, focusing on the relationship between force, mass, and acceleration.

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  • Participants explore the possibility of defining force without mass, questioning the validity of the provided kinematic data. Some participants express confusion over the consistency of the height and acceleration values, while others emphasize the necessity of mass in the force calculation.

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The discussion is active, with participants raising various points about the assumptions made in the original post. There is a mix of skepticism regarding the data's consistency and the fundamental principles of force definition. No consensus has been reached, but several critical perspectives have been shared.

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Participants note potential errors in the interpretation of distance and acceleration, as well as the implications of using non-standard values for acceleration. The discussion highlights the importance of clarity in defining terms and conditions in physics problems.

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Can we define force if a body from high of ##h_1=4m## goes down to ##h_2=−3m##, for time ##t=4s##, and with velocity of ##v=10\frac{m}{s}##. The acceleration would be ##a=\frac{v}{t}=\frac{10\frac{m}{s}}{4s}=2.5 \frac{m}{s^2}.## Can we define the force using these things? If yes, let me know the formula, if no, let me know :)

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F = ma, you need the mass as well as acceleration to find the force
 


I know ##F=ma##, but, I have the acceleration, but I don't want mass, I want to know if there's a way to find the Force with distance between two highs , with a velocity for a set time.
 


-Physician said:
Can we define force if a body from high of ##h_1=4m## goes down to ##h_2=−3m##, for time ##t=4s##, and with velocity of ##v=10\frac{m}{s}##. The acceleration would be ##a=\frac{v}{t}=\frac{10\frac{m}{s}}{4s}=2.5 \frac{m}{s^2}.##
This kinematic data doesn't seem consistent. Did you just make it up?
Can we define the force using these things?
No.
 


Yeah, I made it my self, And I see you can't because ##m ,m , s, \frac{m}{s}## wouldn't be able to make ##N## (Newton) or ##kg\frac{m}{s^2}## which is ##kg\frac{m}{s^2}=N##
 


-Physician said:

Homework Statement


Can we define force if a body from high of ##h_1=4m## goes down to ##h_2=−3m##, for time ##t=4s##, and with velocity of ##v=10\frac{m}{s}##. The acceleration would be ##a=\frac{v}{t}=\frac{10\frac{m}{s}}{4s}=2.5 \frac{m}{s^2}.## Can we define the force using these things? If yes, let me know the formula, if no, let me know :)


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Way too many errors in it.
Firstly you say that object goes from
h1=4m goes down to h2=−3m ?

How can you say that distance will be -3m ? Distance is scalar !
Secondly , yes we can define displacement to be negative with reference to direction but here body is falling uni-directionally. You have to say that body is falling from distance of 4m to 3m.

Again another error : If body is falling downwards then acceleration will be 9.8 or 10m/s2 i.e constant value. This further implies that the velocity of body will keep on increasing by 9.8 or 10m/s , every second. You just can't say that velocity of body will be uniform here in this case.

Again acceleration is rate of change in velocity , not velocity by time.
And lastly , out of curiosity : Are you assuming another planet where acceleration is 2.5m/s2 ?:biggrin:

You CANNOT define FORCE without using or taking MASS of object in ACCOUNT.
 

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