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Rybo said:
Lee Smolin wrote The Elegant Universe, one of my favs. Good stuff.
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Is Free Will an Illusion or a Reality?
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The discussion centers on the complex nature of free will, with participants debating whether it exists or is merely an illusion shaped by instincts and external conditions. One viewpoint suggests that while choices may seem free, they are influenced by biological needs and instincts, indicating a lack of true freedom. Another perspective argues that free will is present but limited, with personal choices constrained by physical laws and fear. The conversation also touches on the philosophical implications of causal determinism, suggesting that moral responsibility may hinge on the existence of free will. Ultimately, the dialogue reveals a deep exploration of the definitions and boundaries of freedom in human decision-making.
Lee Smolin wrote The Elegant Universe, one of my favs. Good stuff.
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Life of the Comos
No Gx, Lee Smolins only other book is "Life of the Cosmos" (an evolving physical and metaphyscial Universe) with a less determinant(more free will-like) facets/aspects type of Uiverse and more evolutionary
Brian Green wrote "The Elegant Universe" and his last book "the Fabric of the Cosmos". There hs states "Free will is a tricky issue, even absent the complicating factor of time travel" He goes on to say he is convince in a deterministic Universe.
I ay Universe is only deterministic only to the point of not violating eternal laws/cosmic priniples, but, particles at mirco and macro level can be steered to some degree by humans.
Here is my web site.
http://home.usit.net/~rybo6/rybo/index.html
Not much on free will information there but plenty of "thinking outside the box" type ideas.
Rybo
g[x] said:
No Gx, Lee Smolins only other book is "Life of the Cosmos" (an evolving physical and metaphyscial Universe) with a less determinant(more free will-like) facets/aspects type of Uiverse and more evolutionary
Brian Green wrote "The Elegant Universe" and his last book "the Fabric of the Cosmos". There hs states "Free will is a tricky issue, even absent the complicating factor of time travel" He goes on to say he is convince in a deterministic Universe.
I ay Universe is only deterministic only to the point of not violating eternal laws/cosmic priniples, but, particles at mirco and macro level can be steered to some degree by humans.
Here is my web site.
http://home.usit.net/~rybo6/rybo/index.html
Not much on free will information there but plenty of "thinking outside the box" type ideas.
Rybo
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Rybo said:
My apologies, you are absolutely correct. I have a hellacious cold and am not in possession of my full faculties. Thank you for correcting that... I did mean to say "Life of the Cosmos." Bah, I hate being sick...
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Apology for minor info errors uneccessary
No need to apologize for minor error Gx.
Free will and placebos ergo mind over matter, to some degree, is a real phenomena as proved by experiments.
Im always amazed at these blind placebo experiments were people get better from there illness, real or illusionary, from merely believing the pill they have been given i swell knon to solve their proble.
The latest one I read had to do with the color of the pill. People where given a blue and red pill. They were told the red ones were known to make people aggressive-like behaviors and teh blues ones were proven to have a calming effect.
I forget the exact experiment conditions but the blue or red pill either had no pyscho-active ingredients or they were oppossite of waht people were told, but, of course, the power of persuasion worked a high percentage of the time.
My adivce, --"and of course it is well documented in the professional medical community including herbalk doctors"--,is that if you take dark honey with your pill(s) their, physilogical effects will be ehanced by over 8,000 percent. Trust me
) It will make you feel better before the day is over.
Rybo
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No need to apologize for minor error Gx.
Free will and placebos ergo mind over matter, to some degree, is a real phenomena as proved by experiments.
Im always amazed at these blind placebo experiments were people get better from there illness, real or illusionary, from merely believing the pill they have been given i swell knon to solve their proble.
The latest one I read had to do with the color of the pill. People where given a blue and red pill. They were told the red ones were known to make people aggressive-like behaviors and teh blues ones were proven to have a calming effect.
I forget the exact experiment conditions but the blue or red pill either had no pyscho-active ingredients or they were oppossite of waht people were told, but, of course, the power of persuasion worked a high percentage of the time.
My adivce, --"and of course it is well documented in the professional medical community including herbalk doctors"--,is that if you take dark honey with your pill(s) their, physilogical effects will be ehanced by over 8,000 percent. Trust me
) It will make you feel better before the day is over. Rybo
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Rybo said:
Fascinating indeed. What scientific method is there to quantize belief? The logical side brings to mind possible effects of hormonal activity, caused by strong emotion or stress, which in turn might cause various chemical changes inducing some kind of psychosomatic response, seemingly a spontaneous immunal reaction... but the link between where thoughts of presumed effects originates, implanted by another or created on one's own, and where the actual biochemical responses occur, remains elusive.
In any case, goodwill never seemed to hurt... and neither did a little honey.
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Judegment may quantisize as gravitons, clustering as photons?
One of FUllers books he states that perhaps humans send out some frequency of EM signals via the eyeball and these signals go out and bounce of some celestial object, only to be reflected back to Earth, hundreds, thousand or millions of years later, whereupon we have thught occur in our mind.
Fuller had some far-fecthed ideas, true or not. I dunno.
Im more inlcined to think two humans resonant at some EM frequency or gravitaitional frequency to share the same thought if not actual telepathy of some sort.
Honey does work as a disfectant which is to say that most bacteria do not thrive in 100% honey enviroment.
Finally here is a poem of mine regarding quantisizing and judgement.
Lifes Irregularities” [poemetry)
Rybo6 alias Os_jbug
A perfect circle (2-Dimensional)
Slices through at midesction, (equatorial bisection)
A pure sphere (3-Dimensional volume),
And attracts the attention (quantum observation),
Of a nearly neutral mind (non-judgement/non-quantification).
Life sputters(aberration as order),
Stars spasm (aberration as disorder),
Inward we are pulled (division by inversion)
Outward we evolve (multiplication by division).
Mother nature (Universe/God{des)
Experiences irregularity (dis-equilibrium)
And what was a waff (wave pattern),
Becomes a waffle (physics/physical).
A quivered matrix (vibrating points, angle and frequency),
Comes into sight (energetic aberration)
A patterned 4, maybe more (polyvertexia of 4 corners or more),
Interrelated, in-da-net (omni-embracing gravity net).
E = Mc2, E = mail (trancievance/transmutation),
Eeeeeeeeeeee! (Yaarrrrkkkkk!),
Equals sound (transposed as text),
Even in silence. (near silence)
Return too neutral (near equilibrium),
Pure and perfect (centered equilibrium),
Return too sender (eternally recursive/recycling Universe).
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One of FUllers books he states that perhaps humans send out some frequency of EM signals via the eyeball and these signals go out and bounce of some celestial object, only to be reflected back to Earth, hundreds, thousand or millions of years later, whereupon we have thught occur in our mind.
Fuller had some far-fecthed ideas, true or not. I dunno.
Im more inlcined to think two humans resonant at some EM frequency or gravitaitional frequency to share the same thought if not actual telepathy of some sort.
Honey does work as a disfectant which is to say that most bacteria do not thrive in 100% honey enviroment.
Finally here is a poem of mine regarding quantisizing and judgement.
Lifes Irregularities” [poemetry)
Rybo6 alias Os_jbug
A perfect circle (2-Dimensional)
Slices through at midesction, (equatorial bisection)
A pure sphere (3-Dimensional volume),
And attracts the attention (quantum observation),
Of a nearly neutral mind (non-judgement/non-quantification).
Life sputters(aberration as order),
Stars spasm (aberration as disorder),
Inward we are pulled (division by inversion)
Outward we evolve (multiplication by division).
Mother nature (Universe/God{des)
Experiences irregularity (dis-equilibrium)
And what was a waff (wave pattern),
Becomes a waffle (physics/physical).
A quivered matrix (vibrating points, angle and frequency),
Comes into sight (energetic aberration)
A patterned 4, maybe more (polyvertexia of 4 corners or more),
Interrelated, in-da-net (omni-embracing gravity net).
E = Mc2, E = mail (trancievance/transmutation),
Eeeeeeeeeeee! (Yaarrrrkkkkk!),
Equals sound (transposed as text),
Even in silence. (near silence)
Return too neutral (near equilibrium),
Pure and perfect (centered equilibrium),
Return too sender (eternally recursive/recycling Universe).
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Icebreaker said:
I've have never heard of a chemical reaction wanting to do up their hair so they look nice, or want to be with another chemical reaction because that chemical reaction makes them feel good about their outward appearance. Nor have I seen a chemical reaction find beuty in the world, or make up an interpersonal idea that his being is simply a chemical reaction.
----- nwO ruoY evaH ,deeN oN <----?eeS I tahW eeS uoY oD
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Couldnt hav said it better
I agree.
Mind is the "prime creation” {meta...physical...mind}
Universe “IS" the creating {really big eternal party}.
Grandpa is the "big passing of time" {lag rates of brain cognition}.
Grandma is the "big manager of time" {slightly more complex rates of cognition}.
God{es}/female is the “Big Grunt” {bearer of Universal progeny}.
God/male (male) is the “Big Bang” {seed of change}.
Teenageres are the "big hormonal change," influenced by all vibrational patterns, thus leading to conscious, oscillating states of 'knowing it all' and having many strong strong oppinions about it all or ‘utterly confused' about it all.
Babies are the "Little-Big Ego Trip" {and they know it}.
Fetus just "IS" and they don't know it.
X chromosome is the "Big Bonding" with other X's and attracts the Y.
Y chromosome is the "Big Head" (testosterone) that bonds with a X and on occasion another Y.
Molecules are the "Big Orgy” of attraction and repulsions called chemsistry.
Atoms are the "Little Uncertainties" which bond together to become
the “'matter' of fact.”
Photons appear to be not what they statiscally claim to be ergo they are a big uncertainty.
Gravitons (quasi-physical) are the "Great Embracement." Massively
attractive too all, but too all, they do not light.
Rybo
Problem+Solve=Reason said:
I agree.
Mind is the "prime creation” {meta...physical...mind}
Universe “IS" the creating {really big eternal party}.
Grandpa is the "big passing of time" {lag rates of brain cognition}.
Grandma is the "big manager of time" {slightly more complex rates of cognition}.
God{es}/female is the “Big Grunt” {bearer of Universal progeny}.
God/male (male) is the “Big Bang” {seed of change}.
Teenageres are the "big hormonal change," influenced by all vibrational patterns, thus leading to conscious, oscillating states of 'knowing it all' and having many strong strong oppinions about it all or ‘utterly confused' about it all.
Babies are the "Little-Big Ego Trip" {and they know it}.
Fetus just "IS" and they don't know it.
X chromosome is the "Big Bonding" with other X's and attracts the Y.
Y chromosome is the "Big Head" (testosterone) that bonds with a X and on occasion another Y.
Molecules are the "Big Orgy” of attraction and repulsions called chemsistry.
Atoms are the "Little Uncertainties" which bond together to become
the “'matter' of fact.”
Photons appear to be not what they statiscally claim to be ergo they are a big uncertainty.
Gravitons (quasi-physical) are the "Great Embracement." Massively
attractive too all, but too all, they do not light.
Rybo