Is Geometry necessary for understanding Physics?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Stratosphere
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Physics
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the necessity of geometry and other mathematical disciplines for understanding physics. Participants explore which types of mathematics are essential for physics, particularly in the context of self-study and educational curricula.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the relevance of certain geometry topics, suggesting that not all material in textbooks is necessary for physics.
  • Others assert that all mathematics learned in school, including geometry, is essential to physics, though some university-level topics may be of secondary importance.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about what to learn for self-study, seeking guidance on essential topics.
  • It is proposed that mastering high school mathematics (algebra, geometry, trigonometry) is crucial before advancing to calculus.
  • One participant emphasizes that the selection of topics covered in school varies by teacher and institution, indicating that "extra" material in textbooks can still be valuable for independent learning.
  • Several participants mention specific mathematical subjects that are important for physics, including calculus, vector analysis, and differential equations.
  • A reference is made to Mary Boas's text "Mathematical Methods in the Physical Sciences," with participants suggesting that much of its content is necessary for physics majors, though the necessity of every topic may depend on the specific field of physics.
  • There is a suggestion to review additional resources and articles for further guidance on the subject.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of specific mathematical topics, with some asserting all school-level mathematics is essential, while others suggest that certain topics may not be universally required. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which specific areas of mathematics are critical for physics.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the relevance of mathematical topics may depend on individual learning paths and specific fields within physics, suggesting a lack of consensus on the necessity of all material presented in textbooks.

Stratosphere
Messages
373
Reaction score
0
What specific types of math are essential to physics? I have a Geometry book but I think most of it is useless information, in school we never go through the ENTIRE book only some of it, is that because some of it is useless?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
All mathematics that you learn in school is essential to physics. There may be some university level topics that are of secondary importance, but everything you learn in school is absolutely essential and basic.
 
I want to study my self though. I am not sure what to learn and what not to learn. I am looking for some guidance on the subject.
 
Stratosphere said:
I am not sure what to learn and what not to learn.

You need to master everything that's presented in high school (algebra, geometry, trigonometry) before you can study calculus.
 
Last edited:
Stratosphere said:
in school we never go through the ENTIRE book only some of it, is that because some of it is useless?

No, it's because different teachers (or schools) cover different sets of topics, and the publisher wants to "sell" the book to as many teachers as possible. In any subject, most teachers agree (more or less) on a basic set of "core" topics that they absolutely must cover, but beyond that there is disagreement on "extra" topics.

"Extra" does not necessarily mean "useless" or "unimportant"! It simply means that there is not enough time in any course to cover everything that could be important for some purpose. At some point, every student has to learn on his own, material that was not covered in one of his courses, and this is where the "extra" material in textbooks becomes useful.
 
Last edited:
Algebra, Geometry, Trigonometry, Calculus (I, II, and III in a university), vector analysis, linear algebra, differential equations, partial differential equations...
I think that covers a good amount, would you say?
 
jtbell said:
"Extra" does not necessarily mean "useless" or "unimportant"! It simply means that there is not enough time in any course to cover everything that could be important for some purpose. At some point, every student has to learn on his own, material that was not covered in one of his courses, and this is where the "extra" material in textbooks becomes useful.


Seconded.

I will also repeat what others have said, until you have mastered everything covered in school there is no point spending time studying other subjects. If, however you're finding that you're very comfortable with the school level material and would like some guidance on what extra subjects you can do, that's a different question to ask.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
ZapperZ said:
Look at Mary Boas's text "Mathematical Methods in the Physical Sciences", which https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=230281" in this forum. I'd say at least 3/4 of the mathematics covered in that text are what one WILL need as a physics major.

Zz.

just out of curiosity, what from that book do you think is unnecessary for a physics major?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
  • #10
Well I think there are some other posts on this forum you should look through.
Check the very top posts in this forum, the sticky posts. They should prove helpful for you to read through. "So you Want to be a Physicist..." comes to mind.

Having used Boas's book I can't think of anything off the top of my head that is not useful to physics but at the same time I think it depends on what field within physics you go into. Surely all the math found in there can be used in different areas but will you end up using 100% of what is in that book? maybe not.
 
  • #11
Here this should make it even easier; read through the article found at the following link as it contains a LOT of good advice

http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=df5w5j9q_5gj6wmt"
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
3K
  • · Replies 32 ·
2
Replies
32
Views
4K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 102 ·
4
Replies
102
Views
9K
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 71 ·
3
Replies
71
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
3K