Is it enough to format a computer/phone for erase a malware/virus?

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The discussion revolves around the effectiveness of formatting a computer or smartphone as a method to remove malware or viruses. Participants explore the complexities of malware removal, including the potential need for additional measures such as changing IP addresses or using VPNs, as well as the challenges posed by certain types of malware.

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  • One participant questions whether formatting a device is sufficient to remove malware, suggesting that changing the IP address or using a VPN might also be necessary.
  • Another participant notes the difficulty of completely removing certain types of malware, mentioning that some viruses can replicate themselves and evade deletion.
  • Concerns are raised about the hidden locations where malware can reside on a computer, including the potential installation of rootkits that can obscure files from the user.
  • A participant emphasizes that any cleaning or formatting should ideally be done using a read-only boot or rescue disk to ensure effectiveness.
  • There is a discussion about the limitations of smartphones in terms of accessing all memory and the challenges of wiping them compared to computers.

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Participants express differing views on the sufficiency of formatting as a solution for malware removal, with some emphasizing the need for additional precautions while others highlight the inherent difficulties in completely eradicating certain infections. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions about the nature of malware and the conditions under which devices can be effectively cleaned, including the potential for hidden malware and the limitations of standard formatting procedures.

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I have a question about a infecting computer or smartphone:

If was infected and the contents can be viewed in real time in other equipment... its enough to format for clean the computer/smartphone? or the "ip" needs to be change or is required use a VPN?

How its infected this kind of virus/malware? i don't know about this kind of tracking and if its possible erase completely, i have a issue with a computer years ago by this, maybe i infected opening a email or image...
 
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It's sometimes very difficult to root out malware from a machine. One well-known virus would launch 3 copies of itself and each time you deleted a copy the other two would detect it and relaunch before you could get to them. It took a specially written program to get rid of the infection.

There are areas of every computer where viruses can be stashed where an end-user can't get to them. Sometimes a Rootkit is installed which can hide certain directories from view and from deletion. The only way you might know something is amiss is in a mismatch of total file sizes vs available disk space. Sony did this some years ago and was roundly castigated by the public.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal
 
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Noob of the Maths said:
If was infected and the contents can be viewed in real time in other equipment... its enough to format for clean the computer/smartphone? or the "ip" needs to be change or is required use a VPN?
Mentioning network stuff makes me suspicious that you want to do this remotely, what makes the answer a definitive 'no'. As long as the infected system running (and you won't have network access if it's not running) it's difficult to clean up even with a local antivirus software. Any remote filesystem operation is just futile.

On computers it is advised that any 'formatting' or 'cleaning' to be done by a read only boot/rescue disk.

Phones are really tricky, since by default you don't have access to all the memory: also, you can't remove the 'HDD' from the phone to be wiped or inspected on a different device. Also, there are no alternative boot devices.
 
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It's sometimes very difficult to root out malware from a machine. One well-known virus would launch 3 copies of itself and each time you deleted a copy the other two would detect it and relaunch before you could get to them. It took a specially written program to get rid of the infection.

There are areas of every computer where viruses can be stashed where an end-user can't get to them. Sometimes a Rootkit is installed which can hide certain directories from view and from deletion. The only way you might know something is amiss is in a mismatch of total file sizes vs available disk space. Sony did this some years ago and was roundly castigated by the public.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandalhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal
Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal
 
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