Is it possible to become a physicist if you had bad grades.

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The discussion centers around the feasibility of pursuing a career in physics for a high school student with average grades, particularly focusing on the implications of procrastination and study habits on future academic success in physics. Participants share personal experiences and advice related to academic performance and preparation for university-level physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses that while they understand physics concepts, procrastination and poor homework habits are significant barriers to success in physics.
  • Another participant emphasizes the necessity of completing homework to succeed in university-level physics, suggesting that not doing homework is incompatible with academic success.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that despite current grades, the student has not closed any doors to pursuing physics, provided they can improve their study habits and test-taking skills.
  • Some participants share personal anecdotes about their own struggles with procrastination and the transition to university, highlighting the importance of developing good study habits early.
  • There is a contention regarding the appropriateness of being critical towards a high school student, with some arguing that constructive criticism is necessary for growth.
  • One participant reflects on their experience of being unprepared for the competitive nature of university after having an easy time in high school, suggesting that early mentorship could have helped them adjust better.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of improving work ethic and study habits, but there is disagreement on the appropriateness of critical feedback directed at high school students. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to advising students in similar situations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that academic advising may influence course placement in university physics programs, and there are varying sequences of physics courses depending on the intended major. The discussion also highlights the potential for academic probation as a concern for students who do not heed advice on improving their study habits.

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Im in high school right now and my physics grades are around Bs. The reason why is that I usually procrastinate and don't do homework plus i sometimes freeze up during tests but i usually understand the concepts and the math is usually easy or straight forward for me.
 
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If you want to be a physicist, you have to do your homework.
 
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potato123 said:
don't do homework
and
potato123 said:
understand the concepts

are not compatible at the university level.
 
What response were you expecting?
 
potato123 said:
Im in high school right now and my physics grades are around Bs. The reason why is that I usually procrastinate and don't do homework plus i sometimes freeze up during tests but i usually understand the concepts and the math is usually easy or straight forward for me.
Change yourself NOW; not later.

A person who likes Physics and wants to study it for a university degree will study his Mathematics course/class work and do the homework almost every day, at least 15 hours per week, and will study his physical science and Physics courses and do MORE THAN THE REQUIRED HOMEWORK almost everyday, at least 15 hours per week.
 
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You have not closed any doors yet (assuming your grades get you into a university or college with a physics program). However it may be that academic advising at your intended university or college may suggest you with your B's that you do not take the honors physics course (if there is one at your university). Almost always, you can still major in physics. The first course in physics is usually part of a sequence of courses. If you are not in honors physics, you may be able to get into the honors sequence for subsequent courses with good grades in the physics course(s) you are taking. At my undergrad school we had 4 different sequences: a four semester sequence for physics majors; a three semester sequence for engineers; a two semester sequence for life sciences; and a semester course for acquaintance. When I graduated as a physics major (about 12 of us), I would say 9 -10 were from the honors sequence and 2-3 were from the engineering sequence.

You may (or may not, I'm not sure (probably depends on the enrollment) ) be able to enroll in the physics sequence even against academic advising. However if you ever get on academic probation, and went against their advice given, this could be trouble (if they remember).

Any awful possiblility of probation could be at least 1-2 years away. For now, I do not think you have closed any doors in physics, yet. But...

Follow the good advice of others in this thread. Learn to work hard now in physics and math. Do as much as you can to remedy your problems in test-taking. I grant you this may be challenging. I did terrible on my first tests in college. After the first half dozen tests or so, you get used to taking tests and your grades usually improve.

By the way, my grades in HS were always best in Chemistry (all A's for two years) , and A-'s in Physics. I always found HS Chemistry more interesting. Yet I majored and got advanced degrees in Physics.
 
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Im in high school right now and my physics grades are around Bs. The reason why is that I usually procrastinate and don't do homework plus i sometimes freeze up during tests but i usually understand the concepts and the math is usually easy or straight forward for me.

To me, the bigger hindrance to you becoming a physicist is your tendency to procrastinate. Even if you do well in school, I would not hire someone like you.

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
To me, the bigger hindrance to you becoming a physicist is your tendency to procrastinate. Even if you do well in school, I would not hire someone like you.

Zz.
With all due respect, I think that telling a high school student that you would not hire them is inappropriate. I would not want to hire a cynical person who is willing to put down a high school student.

To potato: start working hard now. Do not waste any time. Zz is right in that you must improve your work ethic. Good luck!
 
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How can one give advice if one is not allowed to be critical of wrong directions? Isn't it worse to say "Gosh, you're the bestest bestest student ever!" and only let him find out he's not years later? When nobody will hire him because of his work ethic? And worse still to say "Yeah, we knew you were headed toward failure - but we decided not to tell you early enough to do you some good. Wouldn't want to mess with your self-esteem, now would we?"

Besides, I don't think high school students are quite the delicate flowers.
 
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I tend to agree with Zz and V50 here, because I was a lot like the OP in high school, and then got my butt kicked my first semester at university. I talk about it in my Mentor Bio thread:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/meet-a-mentor-berkeman.684732/

I went to a small HS and was able to get mostly A's with very little studying. It wasn't so much procrastination, it just was easy to read the material and do the work. Then off to university, and *everybody* was the smartest kid from their HS, and very motivated to do well and get a good job. Yikes! What a wake-up call.

Luckily I was able to recover, but it would have been much better if I'd had an academic mentor wake me up while I was still in HS so I could start adopting better study habits and get them nailed down and comfortable for me before starting to log grades where it counts (in college).

@potato123 -- After reading the various responses in the thread and my Mentor Bio, what are your thoughts? Do you feel like you can improve? :smile:
 
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