Is It Possible to Boost Your IQ with These Simple Tips?

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The discussion centers around online IQ tests, their validity, and the implications of IQ scores. Participants express skepticism about the accuracy of online tests, noting that they often yield inflated scores and lack the rigor of professionally administered assessments. The conversation touches on the cultural factors influencing test performance, particularly regarding Asian students, and the broader debate about the relevance of IQ as a measure of intelligence. Many contributors argue that IQ tests primarily assess test-taking skills rather than true intelligence, emphasizing that motivation and application of knowledge are more critical to success than raw IQ scores. Additionally, there are reflections on how childhood IQ scores may not predict adult intelligence or success, with anecdotes highlighting the disparity between high IQ and real-world achievements. The thread concludes with a consensus that intelligence is multifaceted and cannot be adequately captured by a single number.
  • #51
Mk said:
Oh? I thought they kept going higher, until the mid-teens, then plateaued out.
Yes, after mid-teens, they will usually plateau or drop. I don't think many increase in these situations.
 
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  • #52
I think this thread has the highest concentration of troll posts I've seen here in while. Since that one guy, in the thread-killers thread.
 
  • #53
franznietzsche said:
I think this thread has the highest concentration of troll posts I've seen here in while. Since that one guy, in the thread-killers thread.

Who would that be..
 
  • #54
Evo said:
"60 minutes" did a special on these schools for child geniuses and the school that was suggested to my parents was one of the ones featured. Among the graduates were a belly dancer, a short order cook, no one went on to anything great.

Where ignorance is bliss, tis folly to be wise
 
  • #55
The_Professional said:
Who would that be..

I don't remember exactly. It seems both he and his posts have been erased from PF existence. he was being a real pain in the arse between posts 1000 to 3000, especially around 2000. For get the name, it was so long ago, but i just looked and his posts are definitely no longer there.

Edit: Just checked my PMs, his name was Bart[/size]
 
  • #56
Danger said:
Unless things have changed in the past 20 years or so, Oriental children consistently outscore North American and European ones on the same tests because they have a cultural appreciation for patterns (ie: gardens, complex pictographs, etc.). Likewise, someone with a lot of reading experience, even if it's just Jackie Collins novels, will outscore a more intelligent TV addict on the verbal sections.
As Evo said, IQ is just a measure of relative capacity for knowledge. What you put in there and how you use it is the true test of intelligence.

True words of wisdom...

marlon
 
  • #57
zoobyshoe said:
When I read things like this I came back to the same thought: IQ tests are a very good measure of how well a person does on IQ tests.
:smile:

Never thought about it like that...but it is indeed very true

marlon, this is a line to remember :smile:
 
  • #58
Evo said:
Among the graduates were a belly dancer, a short order cook, no one went on to anything great.

What, belly dancing ain't great ?C'mon...you need a very high 'lumbago-coordination-IQ' for that, bedies the way you look also plays a very important rule in the IQ-determination :wink:

marlon
 
  • #59
marlon said:
:smile:

Never thought about it like that...but it is indeed very true

marlon, this is a line to remember :smile:
For a nominal fee, you may use it in your signature.
 
  • #60
zoobyshoe said:
For a nominal fee, you may use it in your signature.
:smile: err, i think i'll stick to the Requiem extract

marlon
 
  • #61
Evo said:
Among the graduates were a belly dancer, a short order cook, no one went on to anything great. Glad my parents didn't make me go.
I can definitely see you as a belly dancer. In fact, I often do on those nights when my doggie suit is in the laundry and my Teddy bear catches on in time to hide.

marlon said:
True words of wisdom...
Once again, you flatter me too much. If you didn't have such a hot girlfriend, I'd start to worry about this.
 
  • #62
Danger said:
I can definitely see you as a belly dancer. In fact, I often do on those nights when my doggie suit is in the laundry and my Teddy bear catches on in time to hide.

ha, that's a coincidence...same here

Once again, you flatter me too much. If you didn't have such a hot girlfriend, I'd start to worry about this.

i can relate...

marlon
 
  • #63
marlon said:
:smile: err, i think i'll stick to the Requiem extract

marlon
I have signatures disabled anyway. I wouldn't even see it if you used it.
 
  • #64
zoobyshoe said:
I have signatures disabled anyway. I wouldn't even see it if you used it.
The only times that I wish I had the signature disable turned on is when Ivan or Astro show up. It's nothing against their signatures per se, but they take up so much memory that my other applications quit whenever they post.

marlon said:
i can relate...
Obviously, or you wouldn't still have her. :biggrin:
 
  • #65
Danger said:
It's nothing against their signatures per se, but they take up so much memory that my other applications quit whenever they post.

Shall I wave the pot roast again? :smile:
 
  • #66
Zygotic Embryo said:
http://www.iqtest.com/test.html?PHPSESSID=65baa6a7ebd7ed42a796acdad1b6d1e0


or just goto www.iqtest.com

it's the most scientifically correct test on the net

I got a 136. That's pretty general. I've received between 128 - 167, usually around 136 - 145.
 
  • #67
Rahmuss said:
I got a 136. That's pretty general. I've received between 128 - 167, usually around 136 - 145.


Haha that is funny, did you read the general outcome-statistics...guess not :rolleyes:

OK, but realize one thing : don't think you are a genius because you are NOT. You are just an average Joe Schmoe... :rolleyes:

Besides, why do people always come whinning about their 136-scores and then say it is general, while in theirselves they think : hey, 136 that is not bad at all. I mean;, it does not take a genius to figure out you are faking here. Sorry, don't get this personal but i just wanted to put you back on the ground...no offense, none taken

regards
marlon
 
  • #68
Is there some significance to the score 136? I've noticed with quite a few people they always seem to score 136 on those online IQ tests. I find that kind of strange... almost like it is rigged to give that answer.
 
  • #69
ShadowKnight said:
Is there some significance to the score 136? I've noticed with quite a few people they always seem to score 136 on those online IQ tests. I find that kind of strange... almost like it is rigged to give that answer.
:approve: :approve: :approve: :approve: :approve:

You are completely correct...Don't mind those guys, they are just fakers with small...

marlon
 
  • #70
ShadowKnight said:
Is there some significance to the score 136? I've noticed with quite a few people they always seem to score 136 on those online IQ tests. I find that kind of strange... almost like it is rigged to give that answer.


Online IQ tests are generally bunk. Its kind of amusing to watch people sport the scores as badges of pride though. Like posting your IP to IRC as 127.0.0.1 and watching all the leet script kiddies knock themselves off the internet is kind of amusing.
 
  • #71
franznietzsche said:
Online IQ tests are generally bunk. Its kind of amusing to watch people sport the scores as badges of pride though. Like posting your IP to IRC as 127.0.0.1 and watching all the leet script kiddies knock themselves off the internet is kind of amusing.
That's funny as hell! :smile: :smile: All these years dealing with security and I am kicking myself for not thinking of that one!
 
  • #72
ShadowKnight said:
That's funny as hell! :smile: :smile: All these years dealing with security and I am kicking myself for not thinking of that one!

Well, i ahve to give credit where credit is due. I didn't think of it either. First saw it in a userfriendly strip, and once found an account of someone actually doing it in IRC. Hilarious stuff. Lemme see if i can find it... http://www.totalillusions.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=328&st=0
 
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  • #73
Yes, i had picked that one up at slashdot once.

Hmm if i had a sig, i would right now put it as "Hack me, My ip is 127.0.0.1"

-- AI
 
  • #74
franznietzsche said:
Like posting your IP to IRC as 127.0.0.1 and watching all the leet script kiddies knock themselves off the internet is kind of amusing.
I don't understand a word of that. Managed to get enough out of the link to find it hilarious though.
 
  • #75
franznietzsche said:
Like posting your IP to IRC as 127.0.0.1 and watching all the leet script kiddies knock themselves off the internet is kind of amusing.

OK, now I'm reasonably intelligent and I have no idea what you just said.

Edit: and I had no idea Danger had already said the same thing [note to self: finish reading the full thread before replying]
 
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  • #76
I'm come to the opinion (without a leg to stand on, of course) that IQ doesn't mean much as a measure of intelligence. I score significantly higher than average on IQ tests, but I'm almost certain that I'm dumber than the average person. I have a calculator brain and I think calculator brains do quite well at IQ tests. The calculator is the most primitive form of artificial intelligence, you know.
 
  • #77
Danger said:
I don't understand a word of that. Managed to get enough out of the link to find it hilarious though.
All computers using TCP/IP (the Internet) have what is called a loopback address, 127.0.0.1. So posting your IP publically as 127.0.0.1 and then someone trying to run some destructive code against your IP address (as some people on IRC like doing) results in them running the destructive code against their own PC :smile: This only works if the "hacker" is really dumb.
 
  • #78
ShadowKnight said:
results in them running the destructive code against their own PC :smile:
:smile: I guess that's the electronic equivalent of me plugging someone's gun barrel if I suspect there might be trouble later.
 
  • #79
cragwolf said:
I'm come to the opinion (without a leg to stand on, of course) that IQ doesn't mean much as a measure of intelligence. I score significantly higher than average on IQ tests, but I'm almost certain that I'm dumber than the average person. I have a calculator brain and I think calculator brains do quite well at IQ tests. The calculator is the most primitive form of artificial intelligence, you know.

Not only do I find it hard to believe that you have below average intelligence, but I find it hard to believe that you believe that. Nonetheless, I agree with your basic point. I very much doubt that intelligence is one-dimensional (as implied by an IQ) and I'm certainly not convinced that it strongly correlates with success. The example you give about "calculator" power is an excellent one, as such skills are virtually useless in the modern world. I sometimes wow my classmates with my ability to multiply numbers in my head, but I doubt it has that much more practical value than the ability to cross my eyes.
 
  • #81
Danger said:
:smile: I guess that's the electronic equivalent of me plugging someone's gun barrel if I suspect there might be trouble later.
Naw, it's more like the equivilent op Bugs Bunny curving the gun barrel around to point back at the shooter! :biggrin:
 
  • #82
SpaceTiger said:
Not only do I find it hard to believe that you have below average intelligence, but I find it hard to believe that you believe that.

Well, the evidence suggests (but does not prove) otherwise. It's a little too personal and embarassing to go into in much detail, but the only area of life where I have excelled compared to the average person is the sort of very basic mathematics that can be done on a stupid computer. In other areas I'm either average or below average. I really hate it when people assume I'm intelligent just because I can immediately return the result of 15% of 5000. They only get disappointed the longer they know me.

I see intelligence as this multidimensional balloon where each axis measures some aspect of intelligence. The volume of this balloon is proportional to the total intelligence. My balloon has this long dimple sticking out of it representing my low-grade mathematical skills. But its total volume is still a bit below average. IQ tests, in my poorly formed opinion, don't take enough sample points from this sphere to get an accurate measure of intelligence.

hitssquad said:
Have you ever taken an IQ test?

Yeah, I took the WAIS-R variant when I was a young adult.
 
  • #83
cragwolf said:
Well, the evidence suggests (but does not prove) otherwise. It's a little too personal and embarassing to go into in much detail, but the only area of life where I have excelled compared to the average person is the sort of very basic mathematics that can be done on a stupid computer. In other areas I'm either average or below average. I really hate it when people assume I'm intelligent just because I can immediately return the result of 15% of 5000. They only get disappointed the longer they know me.

People are just different. My dad has a tough time with Algebra, but he'll come at me with some figure like 'What's 70% of 42,000? 29,400 right?' And I'll just be sitting there going 'uhh, hold on a second. Let me pull my shoes off.' Raw math has never been my strong suit.

I see intelligence as this multidimensional balloon where each axis measures some aspect of intelligence. The volume of this balloon is proportional to the total intelligence. My balloon has this long dimple sticking out of it representing my low-grade mathematical skills. But its total volume is still a bit below average. IQ tests, in my poorly formed opinion, don't take enough sample points from this sphere to get an accurate measure of intelligence.

I agree that there are various (and sometimes hard to measure) components of intelligence. Rote memorization, spatial reasoning, reading comprehension, and various math skills are all parts of it. It's not all that uncommon to see people who excel in one area and not in another. People whom we label 'idiot savants' seem to show an extreme difference between various areas.
 
  • #84
cragwolf said:
I see intelligence as this multidimensional balloon where each axis measures some aspect of intelligence. The volume of this balloon is proportional to the total intelligence. My balloon has this long dimple sticking out of it representing my low-grade mathematical skills. But its total volume is still a bit below average. IQ tests, in my poorly formed opinion, don't take enough sample points from this sphere to get an accurate measure of intelligence.
Dude, take a step back and read the paragraph you wrote. Someone who isn't intelligent and considers themselves dumb would not understand this string of words, much less WRITE it! Don't be so hard on yourself, it takes at least average intelligence just to understand topics on this site. :smile:
 
  • #85
ShadowKnight said:
Dude, take a step back and read the paragraph you wrote. Someone who isn't intelligent and considers themselves dumb would not understand this string of words, much less WRITE it!

Well, firstly I don't consider myself dumb, just a bit lower than average in overall intelligence. 30th or 40th percentile, maybe, although I think it's impossible to measure. Secondly, I think that aside from a small percentage of people who have a very low intelligence, everyone can learn to write a string of words like mine. Vocabulary and grammar have been mastered by stupid computer programs like Microsoft Word. Thirdly, I think it's important not to confuse intelligence with intellectual interest. There are geniuses with low education who work in factories doing manual labour who have little or no intellectual interests; there are educated people like me of mediocre intelligence who have strong interest in intellectual matters.
 
  • #86
The Feynman IQ urban legend

zoobyshoe said:
"When I was a kid I sneaked off and got into the files and looked up our IQs. Mine was 124 and his was 123. So I was actually smarter than he was!"
Joan Feynman
I would guess that Richard Feynman, in his prime, had a g factor strength of around +4 SD.
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache...sJuly/JensenPartI.htm+feynman+iq+jensen&hl=en

Question #1:

Christopher Langan for the Mega Foundation: It is reported that one of this century’s greatest physicists, Nobelist Richard Feynman, had an IQ of 125 or so. Yet, a careful reading of his work reveals amazing powers of concentration and analysis…powers of thought far in excess of those suggested by a z score of well under two standard deviations above the population mean. Could this be evidence that something might be wrong with the way intelligence is tested? Could it mean that early crystallization of intelligence, or specialization of intelligence in a specific set of (sub-g) factors – i.e., a narrow investment of g based on a lopsided combination of opportunity and proclivity - might put it beyond the reach of g-loaded tests weak in those specific factors, leading to deceptive results?

Arthur Jensen: I don’t take anecdotal report of the IQs of famous persons at all seriously. They are often fictitious and are used to make a point - typically a put-down of IQ test and the whole idea that individual differences in intelligence can be ranked or measured. James Watson once claimed an IQ of 115; the daughter of another very famous Nobelist claimed that her father would absolutely “flunk” any IQ test. It’s all ridiculous. Furthermore, the outstanding feature of any famous and accomplished person, especially a reputed genius, such as Feynman, is never their level of g (or their IQ), but some special talent and some other traits (e.g., zeal, persistence). Outstanding achievements(s) depend on these other qualities besides high intelligence.
[...]
So-called intelligence tests, or IQ, are not intended to assess these special abilities unrelated to IQ or any other traits involved in outstanding achievement. It would be undesirable for IQ tests to attempt to do so, as it would be undesirable for a clinical thermometer to measure not just temperature but some combination of temperature, blood count, metabolic rate, etc. A good IQ test attempts to estimate the g factor, which isn’t a mixture, but a distillate of the one factor (i.e., a unitary source of individual differences variance) that is common to all cognitive tests, however diverse.

I have had personal encounters with three Nobelists in science, including Feynman, who attended a lecture I gave at Cal Tech and later discussed it with me. He, like the other two Nobelists I’ve known (Francis Crick and William Shockley), not only came across as extremely sharp, especially in mathematical reasoning, but they were also rather obsessive about making sure they thoroughly understood the topic under immediate discussion. They at times transformed my verbal statements into graphical or mathematical forms and relationships. Two of these men knew each other very well and often discussed problems with each other. Each thought the other was very smart. I got a chance to test one of these Nobelists with Terman’s Concept Mastery Test, which was developed to test the Terman gifted group as adults, and he obtained an exceptionally high score even compared to the Terman group all with IQ>139 and a mean of 152.


zoobyshoe said:
When I read things like this I came back to the same thought: IQ tests are a very good measure of how well a person does on IQ tests.
Boring.
physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=700030&highlight=boring#post700030

IQ tests have also been shown to have relatively high validity and reliability as measures of g.
amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0275961036
 
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  • #87
IQ scores of celebrities

http://sites.ninemsn.com.au/minisite/testaustralia/IQ2003/celebrity.asp"
 
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  • #88
hitssquad said:
IQ tests have also been shown to have relatively high validity and reliability as measures of g.
I'm not sure what your point is, Hitssquad. You are saying you're sure Feynman would have scored higher had he been tested as an adult?
 
  • #89
Evo said:
After my IQ results came back, the public school I went to tried to get my parents to send me to a school for the "academically able", you had to have a minimum IQ of 140 to even be considered. A few years ago, "60 minutes" did a special on these schools for child geniuses and the school that was suggested to my parents was one of the ones featured. Among the graduates were a belly dancer, a short order cook, no one went on to anything great. Glad my parents didn't make me go.

Evo I had the exact same experience, but my parents couldn't afford to send me (think it was about 15k/year) so I didn't end up going. It's just a prestige thing, like Mensa. Children who are truly gifted/curious, and are encouraged by someone in their life will find an outlet even with public education- I did. Of course I was also blessed with an overabundance of PhD's and teachers/professors in my family, so I had a built in outlet:biggrin:

You guys are still trying to see who has the biggest hmm?

No matter how smart you are, there will always be someone smarter than you. No matter how dumb you are, you will always be smarter than someone. Unlesss you're koko the chimp, that is.
 
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  • #90
Interesting..
 
  • #91
Zygotic Embryo said:
Interesting..

I was late, I rambled...
 
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