Is it possible to create a Positron - Electron cooper pair?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the possibility of forming a Cooper pair from an electron and a positron, particularly in the context of a positron being held in a Penning trap. It examines the implications of their opposite charges and the conditions under which such a pairing might occur, including comparisons to traditional Cooper pairs and related bound states like positronium and excitons.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that an electron and positron could form a Cooper pair due to their opposite charges acting as a catalyst, similar to how lattice deformation facilitates normal Cooper pairs.
  • Others argue that the natural attraction between the electron and positron negates the need for lattice deformation, suggesting that such a pairing would not meet the definition of a Cooper pair.
  • A participant mentions that bound states of electrons and positrons are known as positroniums, and draws an analogy to excitons in semiconductors, where Bose-Einstein condensation has been observed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether an electron-positron pair can be classified as a Cooper pair, indicating a lack of consensus on the definitions and conditions required for such a pairing.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the definitions of Cooper pairs versus other bound states, nor does it clarify the implications of charge neutrality in the context of the proposed pairing.

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Hello,

Would it be possible for an electron and positron to form a cooper pair if an electron is brought into the neighborhood of the positron who is anchored in a penning trap (or in some other fashion)?

If normal cooper pairs form by using the the attractive force of the lattice deformation, does that mean the electron and positrons own opposite charges can act as the catalyst to form this state?

If that is possible, would the pair turn into a 'boson' or become charge neutral and fall apart? If they keep their "local charge" (so the positron stays in the penning trap) but still is treated as a boson, would you be able to carry how ever many positrons you wanted in a single trap since they are 'bosons' now?

Thanks,
Josh

PS I'm a newbie so I apologize if this question seems a little bit naive
 
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Not sure I fully understand, but the positron and electron have opposite charge and are naturally attracted to each other, why would they need lattice deformation to accomplish this? A cooper pair forms because, due to lattice deformation in a metal, the electrons can be brought closer to each other than normal, so that the energy between them is lower than the Fermi Energy, implying the pair is bound, but for an electron-positron pair, this attraction is natural, so it wouldn't be a Cooper pair by definition.
 
Hi soothsayer,

Thanks for your reply, that cleared things up.

Josh
 
Bound states of electrons and positrons are known as positroniums.
Analogous bound states of electron hole pairs in semiconductors are called excitons.
In the case of excitons, Bose Einstein condensation has been observed experimentally.
 

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