Can a SINGLE photon produce an electron-positron pair?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether a single photon can produce an electron-positron pair, with references to energy requirements and the necessity of additional matter or light quanta for this process. Participants explore the implications of energy levels and frame of reference in relation to pair production.

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  • Participants discuss the energy requirements for pair production and question the feasibility of a single photon achieving this. There are attempts to understand the implications of different frames of reference on the energy of the photon. Some participants suggest writing down conservation equations to analyze the situation further.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations and clarifications regarding the conditions necessary for pair production. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of conservation laws, and a tutor's input about nuclear recoil has been mentioned, indicating a productive direction in the conversation.

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There is mention of homework constraints, specifically the request not to post images and the need for a diagram. The discussion also highlights the potential for misunderstanding regarding energy levels and the conditions under which pair production can occur.

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A homework question is asking for a diagram illustrating a photon becoming a electron-positron pair (please don't post an image as it's homework).

Looking through the internet there seems to be some disagreement as to whether a single photon can create an electron-positron pair:

"Show that a single photon cannot produce an electron-positron pair, but needs additional matter or light quanta."

"For example you've got a 5MeV photon, so you think that there is plenty of energy to make e − e + pair. Now you make a boost along the direction of the photon momentum with v=0.99c and you get a 0.35MeV photon. That is not enough even for one electron. "

so a photon would have to have a massive amount of energy, but is it even possible?

if not why is this diagram on wiki?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Pair_Production.png

i could just draw that diagram but if it's not a realistic possibility then would like to put in a comment as such.

Thanks for any comments / ideas on this.
 
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rwooduk said:
A homework question is asking for a diagram illustrating a photon becoming a electron-positron pair (please don't post an image as it's homework).

Looking through the internet there seems to be some disagreement as to whether a single photon can create an electron-positron pair:

"Show that a single photon cannot produce an electron-positron pair, but needs additional matter or light quanta."

"For example you've got a 5MeV photon, so you think that there is plenty of energy to make e − e + pair. Now you make a boost along the direction of the photon momentum with v=0.99c and you get a 0.35MeV photon. That is not enough even for one electron. "

so a photon would have to have a massive amount of energy, but is it even possible?
You seemed to have missed the point of the example. Say the photon did have even more energy in your frame. Can't you always boost to a frame where the energy of the photon is too low for pair production?
 
vela said:
You seemed to have missed the point of the example. Say the photon did have even more energy in your frame. Can't you always boost to a frame where the energy of the photon is too low for pair production?

Thanks for the reply.

are you saying you could be in a frame where the energy required would be LESS to produce a positron electron pair? therefore it is possible?
 
How did you get that interpretation from the phrase "too low for pair production"?

Try writing down the equations using conservation of momentum and conservation of energy for a photon decaying into an electron-position pair. You should be able to show there's no solution to those equations. Think about what happens in the center-of-mass frame of the electron and positron.
 
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vela said:
How did you get that interpretation from the phrase "too low for pair production"?

hmm not sure, went a little abstract.

vela said:
Try writing down the equations using conservation of momentum and conservation of energy for a photon decaying into an electron-position pair. You should be able to show there's no solution to those equations. Think about what happens in the center-of-mass frame of the electron and positron.

Ahh, thanks I see now!

Also asked my tutor who says there would have to be nuclear recoil, i.e. it would have to interact with something to produce a electron positron pair, but that it is often ignored in a simple diagram.

Problem solved, thanks again!
 

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