Is it possible to forget my first language?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of forgetting one's first language, particularly in the context of early childhood language acquisition and the effects of cultural and linguistic displacement. Participants explore personal experiences and anecdotal evidence related to language attrition, the impact of immersion in a new language, and the psychological aspects of language memory.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants share personal experiences of forgetting their first language due to immersion in a new language and culture, emphasizing the complete loss of memory associated with the original language.
  • Others propose that language attrition can occur through disuse, with some citing examples from their own lives or those of acquaintances who experienced similar phenomena.
  • A participant mentions the case of Oliver Sacks, illustrating how physical disuse can lead to forgetting skills, drawing a parallel to language loss.
  • Some argue that the age at which a child is exposed to a new language can significantly affect their retention of the first language, with younger children potentially losing their original accent and fluency more rapidly.
  • Different learning styles are discussed, with some noting that those who learn languages by sound may forget them more easily compared to those who learn through writing.
  • Participants highlight that the context of language use, such as family dynamics and social environments, plays a crucial role in language retention.
  • One participant raises the idea that environmental and social factors can influence how sounds and language are processed and remembered over time.

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Participants express a range of views on the topic, with no clear consensus. While many agree that forgetting a first language is possible, the mechanisms and conditions under which this occurs are debated, and personal anecdotes vary widely.

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Limitations include the lack of empirical data to support anecdotal claims, variations in individual experiences, and the influence of cultural factors on language retention. The discussion does not resolve the complexities surrounding language attrition and memory.

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This discussion may be of interest to linguists, psychologists studying language acquisition and memory, educators working with bilingual children, and individuals curious about the effects of cultural displacement on language retention.

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Because it happened. My parents always say that i was proficient in language A. But i have no memory of language A. I have the memory of language B and C, which my parents say i learned afterwards.
Is this even possible? How could i have known my first language (when i was 4-6 years old), and forgotten it(COMPLETELY - stress on this) by the time i was 7?
 
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I have read accounts of this happening to kids who get shunted into a different culture with a different language at an early enough age. The mechanism by which you forget the original language is simply through disuse of it, coupled with exclusive practice of the new language.

It is amazing what basic things we can lose through disuse. Oliver Sacks broke his leg very badly in early middle age and it was in a cast for months. By the time the cast came off, he had completely forgotten how to use that leg, and the whole notion that he'd ever used it to stand on or walk with was extremely alien to him.

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It is amazing what basic things we can lose through disuse. Oliver Sacks broke his leg very badly in early middle age and it was in a cast for months. By the time the cast came off, he had completely forgotten how to use that leg, and the whole notion that he'd ever used it to stand on or walk with was extremely alien to him.
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Thanks for the insight. I hate how delicate the pre-puberty ages can be.
 
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Thanks for the insight. I hate how delicate the pre-puberty ages can be.
Note that this happened to Sacks in early middle age. The implication is that our abilities depend on constant maintenance throughout life.
 
I know a woman who came to the USA from Germany at age 12 as an adoptee, she didn't completely lose her German but she is not fluent (according to my German friend who talked to her)
 
Another issue is grade level limited vocabulary. Kids emigrating from China at age 8 will have a more limited vocabulary appropriate to the age and it won't progress unless their parents speak it at home? Interestingly, younger children also lose any sense of accent from their first language and learn to speak the new language like a native.
 
Different people learn languages differently. Those who learn by sound do so quickly, but also lose the language easily. I learn languages slowly and from writing, but remember much of the German I learned at age 8. I have used it rarely.

A Balinese prince went to medical school in Holland. By the time he returned he had difficulty speaking Balinese.
 
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Algren said:
How could i have known my first language (when i was 4-6 years old), and forgotten it(COMPLETELY - stress on this) by the time i was 7?

How did you lose contact with your first language? Was it the one your parents originally spoke, and then they switched to using another language? Or did you move to live with other people who spoke another language?

My mother's parents were Finnish immigrants in the US. When she was small, they lived in a neighborhood where mostly Finnish speakers lived. At first she spoke only Finnish. She didn't start to learn English until she started school at age 6. At that point her parents also started speaking English at home as much as possible, but I remember that my grandmother didn't know much English, so I'm sure my mother was still exposed to some Finnish at home and in the neighborhood.

By the time I was a child she had gone to school, worked and lived among mostly English speakers for many years, but she still had contact with older Finnish speakers. She managed to remember enough Finnish to be able to use it when we visited Finland (her only trip there) when she was 60 years old.
 
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I have some Russian friends who lived in Sweden for many years and their daughter was born and went to nursery there. They moved to the UK when she was 6 (I think, she might have been 5) and although she did not speak any English when moving she was fluent after about 18 months (they mostly speak Russian at home but all her friends are English) and by the time she was about 9 she had completely forgotten all her Swedish.
 
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I think a sound can be transformed into its "neighboring" sound under some environmental or social factors (e.g one listening to the latter repeatedly).
It is not strange at all to see an adult who has been living abroad and rarely used his native language for a long time can properly make all smooth statements in his natural speech or daily conversation. It's not all his faults. The jerkings are created automatically with the insertions of the words from the language he mostly uses during his speech, unintentionally. But if he is back to his home for a couple of years, things will be back to normal, perfectly :woot:.
Some people do so (pretend to be of higher classes, foreigner-like who don't know or already forgot their mother tongues) just on purpose even after years living in their own homeland to differentiate themselves from their own community, but to me theirs (thoughts and pronunciations) sound like a fun to laugh that to shame them I think isn't as worth of my input energy at all. :DD
 
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i think if you don't use a Langauge for a very long time, this could happen anytime.
 

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