Is it possible to manufacture water and how does it work?

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of manufacturing water, exploring various methods and chemical processes involved. Participants delve into theoretical and practical aspects, including chemical reactions and electrolysis, while also touching on related concepts in chemistry and physics.

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  • Some participants suggest that water can be produced by burning hydrogen in the presence of oxygen, while others note that burning hydrocarbons also yields water.
  • Mixing hydrochloric acid and sodium hydroxide is mentioned as a method to produce water, albeit with a salty byproduct.
  • One participant claims that respiration in living organisms is a natural process of water production.
  • Electrolysis is discussed as a method to separate water into hydrogen and oxygen, with some participants debating the necessity of using sulfuric acid to facilitate the process.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality and cost of producing hydrogen for these reactions, with some arguing that hydrogen is not necessarily expensive.
  • There is a discussion about the dissociation of water into ions and the role of added salts in conducting electricity during electrolysis.
  • Some participants express confusion about the necessity of using salt or acid in electrolysis, questioning the effectiveness of using pure water.
  • The properties of water, such as its behavior when freezing and its pH, are also mentioned, with some participants discussing the implications of these properties in relation to the broader topic.

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Participants express a range of views on the methods of producing water, with no consensus on the best approach or the necessity of certain chemicals. The discussion includes both agreement on some methods and significant disagreement on the details and implications of those methods.

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Participants highlight various assumptions regarding the chemical processes involved, the cost and practicality of materials, and the conditions under which water can be produced. There are unresolved questions about the efficiency and feasibility of different methods discussed.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals studying chemistry, particularly those curious about chemical reactions involving water, as well as those exploring the practical applications of electrolysis and the properties of water.

  • #31
Originally posted by dr.ununquadium
I didn't read the second page so I don't know if anyone already said this but no you cannot manufacture water because you need a catalyst to help the mixture change from H2 + O to H2O, and the catalyst may not allow for the production of pure water. Anyway distilling salt water is the best.

Actually, all you need is a source of ignition. Actually, if you've got the time, all you need is hydrogen and oxygen.
 
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  • #32
although to speed up the process of combining those 2 elements you do use a catalyst, right.
 
  • #33
Originally posted by dr.ununquadium
although to speed up the process of combining those 2 elements you do use a catalyst, right.

Actually the reaction can go quite fast without a catalyst. As the flaming ghost of Baron Von Hindenburg can attest.

Not the blimp guy, of course, he was dead before the blimp ever flew; but Baron Julius Von Hindenburg, who died in an unfortunate leiderhosen incident.
 
  • #34
The difference being that the gas of Julius was methane, having had a bit too much sauerkraut for his britches before an evening smoke.
 
  • #35
I was thinking the enormous airship Hindenberg...

If you are going to use a catalyst, the chances are you want to use it to slow the reaction down, so you don't blow up a couple of city blocks.
 
  • #36
I didn't know that the mixture between Hydrogen and Oxygen was flamable, i know hydrogen is flammable only with the presence of electricity though.
 
  • #37
Originally posted by Loren Booda
The difference being that the gas of Julius was methane, having had a bit too much sauerkraut for his britches before an evening smoke.

Oh, the innanity!
 
  • #38
Originally posted by dr.ununquadium
I didn't know that the mixture between Hydrogen and Oxygen was flamable, i know hydrogen is flammable only with the presence of electricity though.

Pure hydrogen isn't flammable at all. Hydrogen with oxygen is extremely flammable, explosive if the mix is right. You don't need electricty, any ignition source will do. Google "Hindenburg"
 
  • #39
Hmmm... I thought flammable implies we are talking about "reaction with oxygen"...
 
  • #40
Originally posted by FZ+
Hmmm... I thought flammable implies we are talking about "reaction with oxygen"...

No, I'm pretty sure flammable just means it will burn and emit flames. There are plenty of things that will burn in the absence of oxygen.
 
  • #41
Originally posted by Chemicalsuperfreak
No, I'm pretty sure flammable just means it will burn and emit flames. There are plenty of things that will burn in the absence of oxygen.

True but flammability does have limits. Some of those limits apply to vapors. The UFL and LFL define the range of flammable concentrations for a substance in air at atmospheric pressure. The limits of flammability may be used to specify operating, storage, and materials handling procedures for a material. They are particularly useful in specifying ventilation requirements for operations involving flammable liquids and gases, correct?
 
  • #42
Originally posted by Chemicalsuperfreak
No, I'm pretty sure flammable just means it will burn and emit flames. There are plenty of things that will burn in the absence of oxygen.
But hydrogen isn't among them.

When something burns, it has a chemical reaction. Think about what the formula would look like.

For something like magnesium, I've never actually learned how it burns underwater. I would guess though that it takes oxygen from the water by separating it from the hydrogen.
 
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