Is it possible to show this expression is positive and bounded between 0 and 1?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical expression involving beta functions, specifically the inquiry into whether the expression is positive and bounded between 0 and 1. The scope includes theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning related to properties of beta functions.

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  • One participant, chamilka, seeks to demonstrate that a specific expression involving beta functions is positive and bounded between 0 and 1, asking for assistance in proving this.
  • Another participant, Sudharaka, expresses that the expression seems to be bounded between 0 and 1 but is unable to provide a proof at that moment. They suggest a reference to a journal article that discusses inequalities for beta and gamma functions.
  • Sudharaka later presents a series of inequalities and relationships involving beta functions, indicating that the value of the beta function is always positive and deriving inequalities that suggest the expression may be bounded as proposed.
  • Sudharaka also notes that the numerator of the expression needs to be shown as positive to complete the argument, indicating ongoing uncertainty about this aspect.

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Participants generally agree that the expression appears to be bounded between 0 and 1, but there is no consensus on how to prove this, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the proof of positivity of the numerator.

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Participants reference specific properties of beta functions and inequalities without resolving all assumptions or mathematical steps necessary for a complete proof. The discussion includes conditional statements and ongoing exploration of the topic.

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Hi all,
I am working with some beta functions. I want to show that the following is positive and bounded between 0 and 1. Is it possible to show this?

$$ \frac{ \frac{B( a + b , \frac{2}{ c} )}{B(a, \frac{2}{c}) } - \big\{\frac{B( a + b , \frac{1}{ c} )}{B(a, \frac{1}{c}) }\big\}^{2} }{ \frac{B( a + b , \frac{1}{ c} )}{B(a, \frac{1}{c}) } - \big\{\frac{B( a + b , \frac{1}{ c} )}{B(a, \frac{1}{c}) }\big\}^{2} } $$
where a, b and c are positive real numbers.

Thanks for your help.

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chamilka said:
Hi all,
I am working with some beta functions. I want to show that the following is positive and bounded between 0 and 1. Is it possible to show this?

$$ \frac{ \frac{B( a + b , \frac{2}{ c} )}{B(a, \frac{2}{c}) } - \big\{\frac{B( a + b , \frac{1}{ c} )}{B(a, \frac{1}{c}) }\big\}^{2} }{ \frac{B( a + b , \frac{1}{ c} )}{B(a, \frac{1}{c}) } - \big\{\frac{B( a + b , \frac{1}{ c} )}{B(a, \frac{1}{c}) }\big\}^{2} } $$
where a, b and c are positive real numbers.

Thanks for your help.

Here is a image of the above expression.
tex2img.php
Hi chamilka, :)

This certainly seem to be bounded between 0 and 1 although I can't think of a way to prove it. Where did you encounter this fraction? You may be interested by the following journal article which includes lots of inequalities for Beta and Gamma functions.

http://rgmia.org/papers/v2n3/begaostr.pdf

Kind Regards,
Sudharaka.
 
Sudharaka said:
Hi chamilka, :)

This certainly seem to be bounded between 0 and 1 although I can't think of a way to prove it. Where did you encounter this fraction? You may be interested by the following journal article which includes lots of inequalities for Beta and Gamma functions.

http://rgmia.org/papers/v2n3/begaostr.pdf

Kind Regards,
Sudharaka.

Thank you sudharaka. I am checking the reference you suggested. I hope that by considering the Beta integrals it can be proved. Let me to try it! :D
 
Hi chamilka, :)

\[0<x^b<1\mbox{ for }0<x<1\]

\[\therefore x^{a+b}(1-x)^{\frac{1}{c}}<x^{a}(1-x)^{\frac{1}{c}}\mbox{ for }0<x<1\]

\[\Rightarrow \int_0^1 x^{a+b}(1-x)^{\frac{1}{c}}\,dx<\int_0^1 x^{b}(1-x)^{\frac{1}{c}}\,dx\]

\[\Rightarrow \beta\left(a+b,\frac{1}{c}\right)<\beta\left(a, \frac{1}{c}\right)\]

The value of the Beta function is always positive. Therefore,

\[0<\frac{ \beta\left(a+b,\frac{1}{c} \right)}{\beta \left(a, \frac{1}{c}\right)}<1~~~~~~~~~~(1)\]

Using the relationship between Beta and Gamma function it could be shown that,

\[\frac{ \beta\left(a+b,\frac{2}{c} \right)}{\beta \left(a, \frac{2}{c}\right)}\div\frac{ \beta\left(a+b,\frac{1}{c} \right)}{\beta \left(a, \frac{1}{c}\right)}=\frac{\beta\left(a+\frac{2}{c},a+b+\frac{1}{c} \right)}{\beta\left(a+\frac{1}{c},a+b+\frac{2}{c} \right)}\]

Using Theorem 2 on page 7 in the article that I linked in my previous post we can get,

\[\frac{\beta\left(a+\frac{2}{c},a+b+\frac{1}{c} \right)}{\beta\left(a+\frac{1}{c},a+b+\frac{2}{c} \right)}<1\]

\[\therefore \frac{ \beta\left(a+b,\frac{2}{c} \right)}{\beta \left(a, \frac{2}{c}\right)}<\frac{ \beta\left(a+b,\frac{1}{c} \right)}{\beta \left(a, \frac{1}{c}\right)}\]

\[\Rightarrow \frac{ \beta\left(a+b,\frac{2}{c} \right)}{\beta \left(a, \frac{2}{c}\right)}-\left(\frac{ \beta\left(a+b,\frac{1}{c} \right)}{\beta \left(a, \frac{1}{c}\right)}\right)^2<\frac{ \beta\left(a+b,\frac{1}{c} \right)}{\beta \left(a, \frac{1}{c}\right)}-\left(\frac{ \beta\left(a+b,\frac{1}{c} \right)}{\beta \left(a, \frac{1}{c}\right)}\right)^2\]

By (1) it is clear that the right hand side of the inequality is positive. Therefore,

\[\frac{\frac{ \beta\left(a+b,\frac{2}{c} \right)}{\beta \left(a, \frac{2}{c}\right)}-\left(\frac{ \beta\left(a+b,\frac{1}{c} \right)}{\beta \left(a, \frac{1}{c}\right)}\right)^2}{\frac{ \beta\left(a+b,\frac{1}{c} \right)}{\beta \left(a, \frac{1}{c}\right)}-\left(\frac{ \beta\left(a+b,\frac{1}{c} \right)}{\beta \left(a, \frac{1}{c}\right)}\right)^2}<1\]

By (1) the denominator is positive, so it remains to show that the numerator is positive. I'll have to think how to do that...:confused:

Kind Regards,
Sudharaka.
 

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