Is it possible to stop time completely?

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The discussion centers around the possibility of stopping time completely, particularly in extreme environments such as neutron stars and black holes, as well as the implications of traveling at the speed of light. Participants explore concepts from Einstein's relativity and the nature of time in different gravitational fields.

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  • Some participants question whether time can be slowed to zero, particularly in the context of clocks on neutron stars or at the center of black holes.
  • One participant clarifies that a clock in any spacetime context ticks normally from its own perspective, and while it may appear to run slow relative to other clocks, it cannot show zero elapsed time.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the Newtonian physics previously learned is not incorrect but rather incomplete, suggesting that a solid understanding of it is necessary before tackling relativity.
  • There is a suggestion that the definition of gravity as a force is subjective, and interpretations of black holes and their boundaries vary among individuals.
  • One participant references Einstein's work to illustrate that while no clock can reach the speed of light, the concept of time becomes undefined for light itself.
  • Questions arise regarding the calculations related to clocks falling through a black hole's event horizon, with a participant noting that these calculations are standard in general relativity textbooks.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of time and gravity, with no consensus reached on whether time can be completely stopped or the implications of extreme gravitational environments. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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Participants highlight limitations in understanding based on definitions and interpretations of physical concepts, particularly regarding black holes and the nature of time at relativistic speeds.

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When I was in school, I learned only Newtonian physics. Recently I have discovered that what they taught me was wrong, that gravity is not a force, it doesn't occur simultaneously, blah, blah, blah

Anyway, based on my study of Einstein's relativity, I was wondering if it's possible to slow time all the way to zero. For example, would a clock on a neutron star or at the center of a black hole completely stop? Does time stop at the speed of light?
 
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RisingSun361 said:
would a clock on a neutron star or at the center of a black hole completely stop?

First of all, there is no "center of a black hole". The singularity at ##r = 0## in a black hole spacetime is a moment in time, not a place in space--once you fall inside the hole's horizon, the singularity is in your future. A black hole is not the same as an ordinary spherical object like a planet or a star.

Second, a clock anywhere in spacetime ticks normally as far as the clock itself is concerned; if you were on the surface of a neutron star (assuming you were made of a substance that could withstand the large acceleration), or falling into a black hole, everything in your vicinity would seem normal, and your clock would seem to you to be ticking at one second per second, just like it always does. The only sense in which your clock might be said to be "running slow" is in comparison to other clocks following different paths through spacetime; for example, if you travel down to the surface of a neutron star, stay there for a while, and then return back up to your mother ship, while your friend stays on the mother ship, your clock will show less elapsed time when you return than your friend's clock does. But there is no way to set up a scenario like this in which your clock shows zero elapsed time; so in that sense the answer to your question is "no".

RisingSun361 said:
Does time stop at the speed of light?

No. First, an ordinary object like you or me can't go at the speed of light, so it's meaningless to ask what would happen if we did. Second, for an object like a light ray that can go at the speed of light, the concept of "elapsed time" does not make sense; the math we use to represent "elapsed time" for you and me breaks down for light. Pop science presentations often say "time stops" for light, but that's not correct; what they should say is that "time" is undefined.
 
RisingSun361 said:
When I was in school, I learned only Newtonian physics. Recently I have discovered that what they taught me was wrong, that gravity is not a force, it doesn't occur simultaneously, blah, blah, blah
The Newtonian physics they taught you is not wrong. It's just not the whole story, and we teach physics that way because it is impossible to learn relativity and quantum mechanics if you do not already have an absolute rock-solid understanding of Newtonian physics. You might find this essay by Isaac Asimov (who was a highly regarded scientist - biochemistry - even though we remember him for his science fiction) interesting: http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm

Anyway, based on my study of Einstein's relativity, I was wondering if it's possible to slow time all the way to zero. For example, would a clock on a neutron star or at the center of a black hole completely stop? Does time stop at the speed of light?

It is not possible to slow time all the way to zero. The most you can ever do is arrange for one clock to run very slow relative to another clock.
 
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RisingSun361 said:
When I was in school, I learned only Newtonian physics. Recently I have discovered that what they taught me was wrong, that gravity is not a force, it doesn't occur simultaneously, blah, blah, blah

Anyway, based on my study of Einstein's relativity, I was wondering if it's possible to slow time all the way to zero. For example, would a clock on a neutron star or at the center of a black hole completely stop? Does time stop at the speed of light?
If gravity is a force or not is a matter of definition. And a black hole is more like a bubble; what happens at the boundary is interpreted differently by different people, but a clock will not completely stop although it may look so.

For less exotic cases, this is how Einstein phrased it (apparently some people consider that "pop science"!):

"Physical Meaning [..]
For v=c all moving objects—viewed from the “stationary” system—shrivel up into plane figures.
[..] the velocity of light in our theory plays the part, physically, of an infinitely great velocity. [..]
[the elapsed moving clock time] tau = t √(1-v2/c2)"
- http://fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/

However, obviously no clock can reach v=c.
 
harrylin said:
[...]And a black hole is more like a bubble; what happens at the boundary is interpreted differently by different people, but a clock will not completely stop although it may look so.

Have you done the calculations?
 
stedwards said:
Have you done the calculations?
What calculations?
 
stedwards said:
Have you done the calculations?

The calculations for what happens to a clock falling through the event horizon of a black hole?
They've been done many times, as this is a standard exercise on GR textbooks - google for "proper time falling into black hole".
 

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