Is it possible to transform this equation?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of transforming a logarithmic expression involving ratios of products into a single logarithmic expression involving sums of those products. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and verification through examples.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks if the expression $$ln⁡((p_1 C_1)/(p_1 C_2 ))+ln⁡((p_2 C_3)/(p_2 C_4 ))+ln⁡((p_3 C_5)/(p_3 C_6 ))$$ can be transformed into $$ln⁡((p_1 C_1+p_2 C_3+p_3 C_5)/(p_1 C_2+p_2 C_4+p_3 C_6 )).$$
  • Another participant suggests testing the transformation with specific values, providing numerical results that do not match, raising doubt about the equivalence of the two expressions.
  • A participant points out that the original expressions are not equations since they lack an equal sign, clarifying the terminology used in the discussion.
  • One participant acknowledges the clarification and confirms they obtained the same numerical results, seeking reassurance about their findings.
  • Another participant asserts that the transformation is not generally true, stating that the equality $$\frac{p_1C_1}{p_1C_2} \frac{p_2 C_3}{p_2 C_4} \frac{p_3 C_5}{p_3 C_6} = \frac{p_1 C_1 + p_2 C_3 + p_3 C_5}{p_1 C_2 + p_2 C_4 + p_3 C_6}$$ does not hold in general.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the transformation, with some questioning its correctness based on numerical tests, while others assert that the transformation is not generally valid. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the transformation's validity.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the values of the variables and the conditions under which the transformation might hold, but these are not fully explored or defined.

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Hi,

Is it possible to transform this equation
$$ln⁡((p_1 C_1)/(p_1 C_2 ))+ln⁡((p_2 C_3)/(p_2 C_4 ))+ln⁡((p_3 C_5)/(p_3 C_6 ))$$
to
$$ln⁡((p_1 C_1+p_2 C_3+p_3 C_5)/(p_1 C_2+p_2 C_4+p_3 C_6 ))$$
Thanks
 
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Have you tried testing it with real values to see if its true?

##ln(1/2) + ln(3/4) + ln(5/6) =?= ln ( (1 + 3 + 5)/(2 + 4 + 6) )##

##ln(1/2) + ln(3/4) + ln(5/6) = -1.16315080981 ##

##ln ( (1 + 3 + 5)/(2 + 4 + 6) ) = -0.28768207245 ##

Did I do the test right?

I used the subscripts for the C values as their values and used Google to compute the results. If the two expressions were equivalent then the results should match too.
 
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somasimple said:
Hi,

Is it possible to transform this equation
$$ln⁡((p_1 C_1)/(p_1 C_2 ))+ln⁡((p_2 C_3)/(p_2 C_4 ))+ln⁡((p_3 C_5)/(p_3 C_6 ))$$
to
$$ln⁡((p_1 C_1+p_2 C_3+p_3 C_5)/(p_1 C_2+p_2 C_4+p_3 C_6 ))$$
Thanks
And just a small point -- each of the lines you wrote above is an expression, not an equation. An equation will have an equal sign in it. :smile:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expression_(mathematics)
 
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Hi,
Thanks for the answer and clarification.
i took the right member of the equation and omitted the left part ;-)
I found the same results as you but wanted some insurance.
 
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somasimple said:
Hi,

Is it possible to transform this equation
$$ln⁡((p_1 C_1)/(p_1 C_2 ))+ln⁡((p_2 C_3)/(p_2 C_4 ))+ln⁡((p_3 C_5)/(p_3 C_6 ))$$
to
$$ln⁡((p_1 C_1+p_2 C_3+p_3 C_5)/(p_1 C_2+p_2 C_4+p_3 C_6 ))$$
Thanks

You are effectively asking if [tex] \frac{p_1C_1}{p_1C_2} \frac{p_2 C_3}{p_2 C_4} \frac{p_3 C_5}{p_3 C_6} =<br /> \frac{p_1 C_1 + p_2 C_3 + p_3 C_5}{p_1 C_2 + p_2 C_4 + p_3 C_6}.[/tex] This is not true in general.
 
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