Is it true that the earth's rotation is slowing down?

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The discussion centers on the phenomenon of Earth's rotation slowing down, exploring the mechanisms behind this process, particularly the role of the Moon and tidal forces. Participants delve into theoretical implications and potential future scenarios related to this slowing rotation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the Moon is responsible for slowing down Earth's rotation while simultaneously moving into a higher orbit.
  • There is a proposal that the Earth also slows down the Moon's rotation, potentially affecting its orbit.
  • One participant speculates about a possible equilibrium state between the Earth and Moon over time, questioning whether this state can be maintained indefinitely.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of tidal acceleration, suggesting that if other effects are ignored, the Earth's rotation could eventually match the Moon's orbital period, leading to a fixed position of the Moon over Earth.
  • A participant introduces the idea of ocean floor currents contributing to the slowing of Earth's rotation through friction.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the mechanisms of Earth's rotation slowing down, with no clear consensus reached on the specifics or implications of these processes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the long-term outcomes and interactions between Earth and the Moon.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about tidal forces and their effects on both Earth and Moon are present, but the discussion does not resolve the complexities involved in these interactions. The potential future scenarios mentioned depend on various factors, including solar evolution and tidal friction, which are not fully explored.

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If it is true, could anybody tell me how it is happening?
 
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IIRC it's down to the Moon. The Moon slows down the Earth's spin and at the same time this boosts the Moon into a higher orbit.
 
Ryan_m_b said:
IIRC it's down to the Moon. The Moon slows down the Earth's spin and at the same time this boosts the Moon into a higher orbit.
But using the same argument, isn't the Earth also slowing down the Moon's spin and thus pulling it into a closer orbit?
 
iKnighty said:
But using the same argument, isn't the Earth also slowing down the Moon's spin and thus pulling it into a closer orbit?

maybe they are trying to reach a state of equilibrium over time.
my thoughts are that it is not going to happen forever, am I right??
 
iKnighty said:
But using the same argument, isn't the Earth also slowing down the Moon's spin and thus pulling it into a closer orbit?

Since the Moon is tidally locked now, that means we already slowed it's rotation down almost as far as it can go. As the Moon's orbital period gets longer so does it's day. Also, since the rotation of the Earth is in the direction of the Moons orbit it pushes the tide nearest to the moon forward, meaning that there is now a slight amount of mass ahead of the Moon, applying torque to it. This would speed up the Moons orbit, but that energy is used to extend it further out of the Earth's gravitational pull a little bit. So the result is the Moon gets further away from us and our rotation slows.
 
Masua said:
maybe they are trying to reach a state of equilibrium over time.
my thoughts are that it is not going to happen forever, am I right??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_acceleration
If other effects were ignored, tidal acceleration would continue until the rotational period of the Earth matched the orbital period of the Moon. At that time, the Moon would always be overhead of a single fixed place on Earth. Such a situation already exists in the Pluto-Charon system. However, the slowdown of the Earth's rotation is not occurring fast enough for the rotation to lengthen to a month before other effects make this irrelevant: About 2.1 billion years from now, the continual increase of the Sun's radiation will cause the Earth's oceans to vaporize, removing the bulk of the tidal friction and acceleration. Even without this, the slowdown to a month-long day would still not have been completed by 4.5 billion years from now when the Sun will evolve into a red giant and likely destroy both the Earth and Moon.
 
Masua said:
If it is true, could anybody tell me how it is happening?


We can compare the situation between Earth and our moon to a merry go round and a rider on a horse circling it in the same direction on a track.

Let's say that the merry go round is Earth and the horse and rider are the moon.

The rider has a lasso = gravity

If he lassoes one of the merry go round's horses he will gain speed.
Conversely the merry go round will experience drag and will lose velocity.

Another way that Earth rotation is slowed is via the friction of currents on the ocean floor which have a braking effect..
 

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