Why are continuously emitting radio pulsars not detected?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the absence of continuously emitting radio pulsars and the implications of this absence for our understanding of pulsar radiation mechanisms. Participants explore the nature of pulsars, the characteristics of their emissions, and the challenges in detecting non-pulsating sources of radio waves.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the probability of detecting a continuously emitting pulsar is low, with estimates around 1 in 100, and question whether such pulsars exist at all.
  • Others argue that if a pulsar does not pulse, it cannot be classified as a pulsar, implying that continuously emitting neutron stars would not fit this definition.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of pulsar emissions, with some proposing that the radiation may not be related to rotation but rather to intrinsic oscillations.
  • Participants note the existence of many steady, non-pulsating astronomical radio sources and question how to identify contributions from non-rotating neutron stars.
  • Some express skepticism about the likelihood of non-rotating neutron stars and the implications of magnetic pole alignment on radiation emission.
  • There are differing views on the detectability of continuous signals versus pulsed signals, with some asserting that constant signals are harder to detect due to their lack of variability.
  • Some participants reference theoretical estimates regarding the number of observable radio pulsars and their radiation characteristics, suggesting that the geometry of magnetic and geographic poles could affect detection probabilities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the existence or characteristics of continuously emitting radio pulsars. Multiple competing views are presented regarding the nature of pulsar emissions, detection challenges, and the implications of magnetic pole alignment.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions and characteristics of pulsars versus other types of neutron stars. There are also unresolved questions about the mechanisms behind pulsar emissions and the conditions necessary for their detection.

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Ken G said:
It might still be possible in the time domain, however. I think what you'd look for is a nearly continuous but still periodically varying source, as if the beam was nearly, but not exactly, aligned with the rotation axis.
A pulsar is a noise source that pulses in a noisier background. The detected signal from the brightest pulsar, fed in real time to an amplifier and speaker, can just be heard in the background noise.

Given sufficient time, you can gather data with about a 2 kHz BW, then FFT, and Power Spectrum Accumulate, deep into the noise, to see what is hidden in there. If you find a blip in the PS, you can run it again on the same patch of sky, to see if it is still there, and repeatable. Once you have an idea of the pulse rate, you can take longer time samples, to get better estimates of the rate. You can then accumulate power in a circular time buffer, to see the shape of the pulse. But what if the pulse is an almost flat sinusoid?

Either you have reliably detected a pulsar, and measured its period, or you have not. I see no way to tell the difference between a dim pulsar in noise, a pulsar being seen side-on in noise, or one almost end-on in noise.

The search for the pulsar with the flattest sinusoidal pulse, will take forever, and cannot resolve any question.

Observatory time is expensive. There is little point in investing the huge amount of observation time, needed to dig the smallest signals out of noise, if those signals are so small, that they cannot be categorised meaningfully.
 
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