Is It Wise for an EE Major to Take a Graduate Level Philosophy Class?

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The discussion revolves around the decision of an Electrical Engineering (EE) major considering whether to take a graduate-level philosophy class, specifically in mathematical logic, as part of their general education requirements. Participants explore the challenges and expectations associated with graduate-level coursework in philosophy compared to introductory classes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about their ability to handle the graduate-level mathematical logic class, questioning if their background in EE would be beneficial.
  • Another participant suggests that the introductory philosophy class might be less challenging than expected, focusing on social and psychological perceptions of logic rather than strict logical frameworks.
  • A different viewpoint indicates that graduate classes with a focus on math or logic are likely to be difficult, implying a higher workload and complexity.
  • Some participants share personal experiences, with one noting that the graduate-level logic class was significantly more demanding than the undergraduate version, requiring much more effort.
  • Another participant argues that the mathematical logic course may be more engaging for an EE student and could cover topics from a different perspective compared to the introductory course.
  • One participant suggests exploring other philosophy courses that might be of interest, such as metaphysics or epistemology, rather than committing to the graduate-level class.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on the difficulty and value of graduate-level philosophy courses, particularly in logic. There is no consensus on whether the mathematical logic course would be easier or more beneficial than the introductory course, and experiences shared vary widely.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the variability in difficulty between undergraduate and graduate courses, with some emphasizing the importance of personal interest in the subject matter when making course selections. The discussion reflects differing expectations based on individual backgrounds and experiences.

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I am currently in the process of choosing my classes for next semester. (EE major)
I need to pick some general education classes, because unfortunately the two that I've taken didn't transfer correctly (or how I would have hoped).

I can take 210 Philosophy Introduction to logic - which I believe I should be able to handle.

Unfortunately the only other classes that the philosophy department offers are classes that I would hate. Except for a graduate level class called 5xx Mathmatical logic.
This is a class taught by a math dept faculty but counts as a philosophy class. (with the preq of linear algebra).

Would it be a mistake to think that since I am an EE student that I should do well in this class? Are graduate level classes in the humanities hopelessly easy? Or will it involve boatloads of work? I've also never taken another philosophy class before (except I would take introduction to logic before this).
 
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Yes, unfortunately, the professor that is teaching it appears to have never taught that specific class
 
jesuslovesu said:
Yes, unfortunately, the professor that is teaching it appears to have never taught that specific class

Sorry it didn't help. :(

I can suggest that you email the professor to ask for an example syllabus. I've found that to be helpful at times for planning. Most likely, they will be of service and it will show them that you are assertive.

I've taken many philo classes, and most Calc as a CompEngr w/ Philo minor, so I would suggest that you should not have any problem with intro to philo logic (nobody should, really). It's probably much less than you are expecting because it will deal with different "social/psychological peceptions" of logic and not a "true environmental/numerical" logic as logisticians or mathematicians would deal with - or even general logical fallacies (although you with deal with contextual fallacies) as you would deal with in middle/upper level English courses. It will be a generalization of philosophical logic and English rhetoric (semi-persuasiveness) for the most part - nothing too hard because it is all very malleable by nature. I'd say you should expect an average of 4 or 5, at least ~~1500-3000 word essays on the subject over the term.

Have you ever come across an "intro" class that was really difficult? Mathematical logic that you are talking about is a mix of philo math logic and comp sci discrete math/elements of calc, so it is going to be more consuming than the other course. It will have more elements of set theory, proof, recursion, etc... so if you want something more "hard core" then go for it if you have the prereq. Philo logic is more liberal, but perhaps not easier if you are not a writer.

Hope that helps. :)
 
i would wager any graduate classes with either the words math or logic in them will be difficult.
 
Graduate philosophy is tough. Especially logic. But I'd still take that mathematical logic course if I were you. It's bound to look a lot more like math to you and interest you more than the introductory course.

My guess is, the mathematical logic course will cover a lot of the same topics as the introductory course (and many the intro course will never touch) from a different perspective. It should be far more useful.
 
Surely, something else in the department will interest you. Metaphysics or Epistemology come to mind. If not those, why not classical philosophy or a history of philosophy course. If they have courses on specific philosopher's, that is the best. I would recommend a class on Hume, Locke, Schopenhaur to be the easiest. Kant, Hegel, and Heidegger being harder.
 
OK, as an undergrad I took both the grad and undergrad logic classes that the philosophy dept. offered (physics major). I took them my second semester of Freshman year and first semester of Sophomore year.

The grad level was MUCH MUCH more difficult. The undergrad version did not take much effort and I routinely did the homework inebriated. I really enjoyed the undergrad class so I took the grad level class. I had to work my butt off for the grad level class. It was about 10 times as much work. And to be honest- I don't know that it was worth it. All the proofs were just VERY much longer and I don't think I really got anything out of it above and beyond what I learned in the undergrad version.

I hope that helps.
 

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