Is Kate Moss's View on Thinness Controversial? Share Your Opinion!

  • Thread starter Thread starter DanP
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary
Kate Moss's quote, "Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels," sparked significant controversy, with many questioning the implications of promoting extreme thinness. Some participants argue that maintaining a low body fat percentage can be healthy and desirable, while others emphasize the importance of accepting diverse body types and focusing on overall health rather than size. The discussion highlights the struggle between societal beauty standards and individual self-acceptance, with opinions varying on whether the sacrifices required for a supermodel physique are worthwhile. Additionally, the influence of celebrity messages on public perception, especially among young women, is a critical concern. Ultimately, the conversation underscores the complexity of body image and health in contemporary society.
  • #121
DaveC426913 said:
This is a straw man. Straw men tend to be invoked when one's argument against the subject at hand is weak and one wishes to move the argument to a more advantageous battlefield. I don't think that's what you intended to portray. Stick to the subject at-hand.

It's not a staw man, its an analogy. A bloody good one too.

You think that pointing out logical fallacies, seemingly at random makes you sound like you are a cool debater. They do not. you also always do it when you are stumped at a sensible answer. The analogy in this case was spot on, and used as an aid for you to attempt to make the mental leap as to why you are talking utter rubbish.If you want to play that little game of name the fallacy. post hoc ergo propter hoc.

No. Normal young girls who do not need to lose weight are starving themselves sick to model themselves after her and other unhealthily skinny stereotypes.
You are attributing an effect to a cause, the effect is bad, and implying that getting rid of the cause will solve the problem. Which is utter tosh. Girls (and boys for that matter) who starve themselves do it becuase of a. mental illness and b. lack of security with themselves. Getting rid of skinny stereotypes would do nothing to solve the problem.

People can't possible be anorxic to look like Kate Mass, as skeletor above looks disgusting, but Kate Moss looks fit as a butchers dog.
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #122
xxChrisxx said:
It's not a staw man, its an analogy. A bloody good one too.

You think that pointing out logical fallacies, seemingly at random makes you sound like you are a cool debater. They do not. you also always do it when you are stumped at a sensible answer. The analogy in this case was spot on, and used as an aid for you to attempt to make the mental leap as to why you are talking utter rubbish.

I'm not sure why you are so defensive about this. Your hostility (and presumption of my motives) is unwarranted. I did not attrack or insult you. I'll thank you to be civil in return.


I pointed out that your analogy does not match the point at-hand. As just one example, it is much easier to refute a video game / violence argument because, among other things, the video game violence thing is far too generalized. It is very easy to refute such a general argument. Is it different than Kate Moss because with Kate Moss we have a specific, singular entity that is doing a specific thing. You can't point me at other Kate Moss' in other interviews as counter-examples.

While I am not saying the two situations have nothing in common, I am saying that arguing the video games / violence argument will not shed light on the Kate Moss argument. It will argue different points, and take the discussion in a different direction.. Which is what makes it a straw man.
 
  • #123
Can it be that "Ze meat eez for zee man" is the explanation for this?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/35/BRFSS_obesity_1985-2006.gif

DaveC426913 said:
Meh. As I always like to say:

"Monsiuer, zee bones are for zee dog. Ze meat eez for zee man!"
 
Last edited by a moderator:
  • #124
xxChrisxx said:
You are attributing an effect to a cause, the effect is bad, and implying that getting rid of the cause will solve the problem. Which is utter tosh.
Yes it is utter tosh, which is why I didn't imply it.

Argue the words I say, not the words you put in my mouth.

xxChrisxx said:
Girls (and boys for that matter) who starve themselves do it becuase of a. mental illness and b. lack of security with themselves.
And c] because they dream of being supermodels.

This is fact. Interviews with young girls show that it happens.



You seem to think I am making cause and effect, and then you are assuming assuming "cause" means "the only cause". It's not. Stop attributing that to me.

They are linked. Society and the fashion industry and the models do contribute to this problem. Interviews with aspiring young girls show this.
 
  • #125
DanP said:
Can it be that "Ze meat eez for zee man" is the explanation for this?

OK,
1]With zero context, no title or even a key to show what's being measured, that chart is nothing more than a pretty piece of art.

2] I was addressing the comment about Kate Moss being attractive. I prefer women with some meat on their bones. In my eye, the feminine form is a curved form. This is all I was saying, nothing more.
 
  • #126
xxChrisxx said:
Then they are tards.

After comments like that, this thread isn't going anywhere productive.
 
  • #127
DaveC426913 said:
OK,
1]With zero context, no title or even a key to show what's being measured, that chart is nothing more than a pretty piece of art.

2] I was addressing the comment about Kate Moss being attractive. I prefer women with some meat on their bones. In my eye, the feminine form is a curved form. This is all I was saying, nothing more.

I know Dave, I just wanted to see if you appreciate art :P