Is learning a second language useful for graduate students in science?

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The discussion revolves around the usefulness of learning a second language for graduate students in science, particularly in relation to fulfilling general education requirements and potential language requirements in graduate programs. Participants explore the implications of choosing languages like Spanish, French, and German, considering both academic and practical aspects.

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  • One participant considers taking Spanish for ease, while contemplating the benefits of learning German or French for academic purposes, particularly for understanding scientific publications.
  • Another participant notes that many graduate programs have a foreign language requirement, typically involving translation of papers in French, German, or Russian, but not Spanish.
  • A participant expresses hesitation about the difficulty of learning Russian compared to French or German, suggesting a preference for the latter two for potential PhD qualifiers.
  • Some participants challenge the idea of a universal language requirement in graduate programs, sharing personal experiences that contradict this notion.
  • Concerns are raised about the time required to learn the specialized vocabulary necessary for reading scientific papers in German, even for those who have previously studied the language.
  • It is suggested that if a student can learn French or German without significantly impacting their major, it may be beneficial, but otherwise, focusing on Spanish could be a practical choice.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity and prevalence of language requirements in graduate programs, with some asserting their existence while others claim they are not universally applicable. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to language learning for science students.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the variability in language requirements across different graduate programs, indicating that assumptions about universal requirements may not hold true. There is also mention of the potential challenges in acquiring the specialized vocabulary needed for scientific literature.

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Alright i need to take a language to fulfill the gen ed requirement, just wondering what people think. I could take Spanish and without much effort go through it, leaving time to study my science classes. Or i could devote some effort to learning a language i am unfamiliar with, ideas for which new ones are between german and french. I could see that german would be useful for understanding german publications, same for french... however there is so much software now that takes different publications and produces them in a language such as english...

Anyone in the field find learning a certain language like german useful? i know math and physics over there is elite...

anyone have experience with something like this?
 
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Well if you are thinking of going to grad school, something to keep in mind is that most have a foreign language requirement that consists of being able to translate a paper in french, german, or russian (note usually not spanish).

To answer your question, working knowledge of one of these languages would definitely be useful, but I'm not sure a would sacrifice a science class, or time spent on a science class, for it at this time.
 
yeah that is why i was considering french or german, not going to bother attempting the difficulty of russian as i hear it is extremely time consuming. But exactly those 2 for the phd qualifier...i know i could probably learn them on my own time, but its either i learn one in my 2nd year of undergrad or just take spanish and save the time for working on my more advanced sciences...only to pick up german or french at a later time if my qualifier requires a publishing translation...hmmm
 
blerg said:
Well if you are thinking of going to grad school, something to keep in mind is that most have a foreign language requirement that consists of being able to translate a paper in french, german, or russian (note usually not spanish).
Really? I'm in grad school now and I never heard so much as a peep about any language requirement. (And yes, I have read the entire grad program manual :wink:) It seems a little unbelievable to me, since I learned German as an undergrad, well enough to spend a month in Germany (well, okay, everyone there speaks English :frown: never mind that!) but I still haven't been able to properly read, much less translate, a scientific paper in German. It would have taken me considerably more time studying the language to learn the specialized vocabulary that scientists use.
 
diazona said:
Really? I'm in grad school now and I never heard so much as a peep about any language requirement. (And yes, I have read the entire grad program manual :wink:) It seems a little unbelievable to me, since I learned German as an undergrad, well enough to spend a month in Germany (well, okay, everyone there speaks English :frown: never mind that!) but I still haven't been able to properly read, much less translate, a scientific paper in German. It would have taken me considerably more time studying the language to learn the specialized vocabulary that scientists use.

Not all grad schools have the requirement, but many do. Also, it is much less daunting than it seems. Typically you're given a (language)-English dictionary during your exam. For most, it is not something to stress about.

I would say if you are able to learn french or german without it interfering seriously with your major, you won't regret it. Otherwise, do the spanish and worry about the others later.
 

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