Is Light's Medium the Luminiferous Aether or the Electromagnetic Field?

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The discussion centers on the nature of the medium through which light propagates, specifically debating whether it is the luminiferous aether or the electromagnetic field. Participants explore theoretical implications, historical context, and the relationship between light as a wave and its medium.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that light behaves as a wave, similar to sound or water waves, which necessitates a medium for propagation, leading to questions about the nature of this medium.
  • There is a historical reference to the luminiferous aether, which was thought to be a medium for light, but its characteristics are debated, particularly regarding its transparency to matter and the strength of its interaction with light.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the relationship between the frequency of light and the restoring force in the context of the aether, questioning how these concepts can coexist without contradiction.
  • Another participant notes that modern proponents of the aether focus primarily on the constancy of light's speed (c) in relation to it, suggesting that this may render earlier concerns moot.
  • Some participants discuss the analogy of light to elastic waves, indicating that higher frequencies would require greater forces, yet question the absence of expected nonlinear effects such as dispersion or scattering.
  • A later reply introduces the idea that light's medium could be the electromagnetic field, presenting an alternative perspective to the aether hypothesis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether light's medium is the luminiferous aether or the electromagnetic field. Multiple competing views remain, with ongoing questions and clarifications about the implications of each perspective.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the assumptions underlying the nature of the aether and its interaction with light, as well as the implications of special relativity on the discussion of light's medium.

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Light as a wave: Interference and diffraction of light indicates light is a wave. Other waves like sound or water waves require a medium to propagate. The speed of the wave is defined relative to this medium. So what is the light’s medium? And can we measure our speed relative to the medium by measuring the speed of light?

At Einstein’s time it seemed obvious that there was such a medium—called “LuminiferousÆther ”—pervading the Universe. But its nature was very controversial. On one hand a wave is a perturbation of the æther and its frequency increases with the force which restores the equilibrium. To accommodate the very large frequencies of visible light the interaction between the medium and the light must be very strong. One the other hand the æther must be completely transparent to matter, allowing the Earth to travel trough it without affecting it.


I am having trouble understanding how the frequency of a must increase with the force which restores the equilibrium and why to accommodate the very large frequencies of visible light, the interaction between the medium and the light must be very strong.

I also find it difficult to see how this contradicts the fact that the æther must be completely transparent to matter, allowing the Earth to travel trough it without affecting it.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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failexam said:
Light as a wave: Interference and diffraction of light indicates light is a wave. Other waves like sound or water waves require a medium to propagate. The speed of the wave is defined relative to this medium. So what is the light’s medium? And can we measure our speed relative to the medium by measuring the speed of light?

At Einstein’s time it seemed obvious that there was such a medium—called “LuminiferousÆther ”—pervading the Universe. But its nature was very controversial. On one hand a wave is a perturbation of the æther and its frequency increases with the force which restores the equilibrium. To accommodate the very large frequencies of visible light the interaction between the medium and the light must be very strong. One the other hand the æther must be completely transparent to matter, allowing the Earth to travel trough it without affecting it.


I am having trouble understanding how the frequency of a must increase with the force which restores the equilibrium and why to accommodate the very large frequencies of visible light, the interaction between the medium and the light must be very strong.

I also find it difficult to see how this contradicts the fact that the æther must be completely transparent to matter, allowing the Earth to travel trough it without affecting it.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Nowadays, even for those who promote an æther, the only characteristic they care about is that the propagation of light is c with regard to it. Since Special Relativity postulates that the propagation of light is c in any inertial reference frame, it kind of makes concerns over the issues you are raising a moot point.
 
The idea behind the luminiferous ether was that light is analogous to elastic waves in a medium, and so each vibration required the ether to be pulled back and forth by the interaction. Consequently, the faster the vibration the greater the acceleration, and thus the greater the force required.

On the other hand there were not the nonlinear effects that one might expect from a strong interaction -- dispersion for example. Or scattering, or harmonic generation.
 
failexam said:
I am having trouble understanding how the frequency of a must increase with the force which restores the equilibrium

Consider simple harmonic motion:

$$x = A \cos (kx - \omega t)$$

1. Calculate the acceleration by taking the derivative twice. Notice how it depends on ω.

2. What does that tell you about the force which produces that acceleration?
 
Light's "medium" is the Electro-magnetic field.
 

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