How do we eliminate the existance of luminiferous aether?

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The discussion revolves around the existence of luminiferous aether and its implications in the context of physics, particularly in relation to Maxwell's equations and Einstein's theory of relativity. Participants explore historical experiments, theoretical claims, and the necessity of aether in modern physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference Maxwell's equations and the historical context of aether, noting that the Michelson-Morley Experiment did not definitively prove aether's non-existence.
  • Others argue that Einstein's assertion of aether's unnecessary nature simplifies physics, suggesting that theories without aether are preferred due to their simplicity.
  • One participant mentions the aether drag hypothesis and its ruling out by ring interferometers, specifically citing the Sagnac effect.
  • Another participant challenges the implications of Maxwell's equations, suggesting that they would only hold in a single frame if relativity is applied.
  • Concerns are raised about the impossibility of proving aether's non-existence, with references to philosophical arguments such as Russell's teapot, emphasizing that the burden of proof lies with those asserting aether's existence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of aether in physics. There is no consensus on whether aether can be definitively proven to exist or not, and multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on historical interpretations of experiments and theoretical frameworks that may not fully account for all assumptions or definitions involved in the discussion of aether.

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According to Maxwell's equation, the speed of light, ##C_0 = \frac{1}{\sqrt{\epsilon_0\mu_0}}##, is a constant regarding to some form of medium, called luminiferous aether. Shortly after the death of Maxwell, Michelson-Morley Experiment shows that the speed of light is constant regarding to the Earth. However, this experiment did not necessarily prove that aether does not exist. It was still possible, as some scientists stated at that time, that aether might be dragged by and attached with the earth.

Einstein, in his paper On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies, claimed that the existence of aether was unnecessary. However, his work is inadequate to prove that aether does not exist.

Regardless of the profound consistency of Einstein's Relativity with the reality, is there any experiment proving that aether does not exist?
 
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It may seem strange to you, but that's not how physics works. Its not needed to prove that aether does not exist(lets just put aside what it means for aether to exist!). Its exactly how Einstein put it. The existence of aether is unnecessary for physics, we can explain things without aether. And also aether theories are much more complicated than theories without it. So we have something complicated which doesn't give us any benefit and there are simpler alternatives. Any physicist will go for the simpler alternatives. That's how physics works.
 
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Yunjia said:
It was still possible, as some scientists stated at that time, that aether might be dragged by and attached with the earth.
The aether drag hypothesis is ruled out by ring interferometers (Sagnac effect).
 
I believe the claim about the implications of Maxwell's equation is also incorrect if the principle of relativity applies. Maxwell's equations would only work in one frame otherwise. My understanding is that was one of the things that led Einstein to the constancy of C.
 
Yunjia said:
Regardless of the profound consistency of Einstein's Relativity with the reality, is there any experiment proving that aether does not exist?
No, and there cannot be if Special Relativity comports with reality. Any Inertial Reference Frame could be the aether rest frame. In his 1905 paper introducing Special Relativity, Einstein called the idea of the aether "superfluous", not required for his theory. But he never said that his theory or any experiment proved or could prove that aether does not exist.
 
You might want to look up Russell's[/PLAIN] teapot, concerning the difficulty of proving the non-existence of something. If you want to postulate the existence of luminiferous ether, it is up to you to prove that it does exist, not up to the rest of us to prove that it does not exist. It has never been proven that fairies or leprechauns do not exist either.
 
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