Is Linear Momentum Conserved in a Collision Between a Disk and Particle?

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The discussion revolves around a problem concerning the conservation of linear and angular momentum in a collision between a uniform disk and a particle. The scenario involves a disk that can rotate about its central axis and a particle that strikes the rim of the disk, leading to questions about momentum conservation during the interaction.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the conservation of angular momentum to derive the angular velocity after the collision and then analyzes the linear momentum of the system. Some participants question whether the disk is fixed or free, which affects the conservation of linear momentum. Others suggest considering the implications of the fixed axis on momentum transfer.

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The discussion is exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the fixed nature of the disk's axis and its impact on momentum conservation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the role of the axis in the momentum analysis, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach.

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Participants are considering the implications of the disk's fixed axis and how it affects the conservation of momentum in the system. There is an acknowledgment of the complexities introduced by the axis exerting force during the collision.

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I'm not exactly sure what is wrong with my analysis for this problem concerning the conservation of angular and linear momentum.

Problem Statement:
Suppose you have a uniform disk of mass M and radius R that can rotate about its central axis. A particle with mass M and velocity V strikes the rim of the disk (along a path tangent to the disk), gets lodged into it, and causes the disk to spin. Show that the linear momentum of the system is conserved.Attempted Solution:
I start by using the conservation of angular momentum:

MVR = (0.5MR^2 + MR^2)ω

The left side of the equation is the total angular momentum before the collision (it is just the angular momentum of the particle since the disk is stationary) and the right side is the angular momentum after the collision. The expression in parenthesis is the moment of inertia of the disk-particle system. With a bit of algebra you can conclude that:

ω = (2V)/(3R)

To analyze the linear momentum after the collision I look at the linear velocity of the center of mass of the disk-particle system. The center of mass is in between the center of the disk and the lodged particle, so the linear momentum is given by:

(0.5Rω)(2M) = (V/3)(2M) = (2/3)MV

However, the linear momentum before the collision is MV. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong?
 
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The problem is if the disk rotates around a fixed axis or it is a free disk the particle is colliding with. If the disk rotates about a fix axis the linear momentum is not conserved as the axis exerts force.
Try to solve the problem with free disk. Then the whole system will rotate about the common centre of mass.

ehild
 
The axis is fixed for this problem. Are you saying that the missing momentum is going into whatever is holding the axis fixed? If that is the case, problem solved! :p

Perhaps it is important to say that the disk is spinning with respect to the axis through the center of the disk (like a merry go round, not a coin spinning on its side) and not through the center of mass of the combined disk-particle system.
 
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You know that the change of linear momentum is equal to the impulse of the force exerted. FΔt=Δ(Ʃmv). The axis exerts force, but you can imagine that it "takes on" momentum when the particle collides with the disk (it bends a bit) and then starts to vibrate and dissipates the momentum and energy at the end.

ehild
 
Ah, I see now! Thanks, Ehild! :biggrin:
 
Welcome! (the green grin is very nice!):wink:

ehild
 

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