Is ln(x) differentiable at negative x-axis

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differentiability of the natural logarithm function, ln(x), particularly at negative values of x. Participants explore the definition of ln(x) and its derivative, considering both real and complex domains.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that ln(x) is only defined for positive x, leading to the conclusion that its derivative, 1/x, is also only applicable for positive x.
  • Others argue that if a function is not defined on an interval, its derivative cannot be defined there either, reinforcing the notion that ln(x) is not differentiable for x ≤ 0.
  • A participant mentions the complex extension of ln(x), suggesting that ln(x) can be defined for negative x using the expression ln(-x) + πi.
  • Another participant points out that the derivative of ln(|x|) is 1/x, implying a different perspective on the differentiability of the logarithm function across its domain.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the differentiability of ln(x) at negative values, with some supporting the traditional real analysis perspective while others introduce complex analysis considerations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of the standard definition of ln(x) in real analysis and the implications of extending the function into the complex domain. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the interpretation of ln(x) in different contexts.

Miraj Kayastha
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Since lnx is defined for positive x only shouldn't the derivative of lnx be 1/x, where x is positive. My books does not specify that x must be positive, so is lnx differentiable for all x?
 
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Miraj Kayastha said:
Since lnx is defined for positive x only shouldn't the derivative of lnx be 1/x, where x is positive. My books does not specify that x must be positive, so is lnx differentiable for all x?
No. If a function isn't defined on some interval, its derivative isn't defined there, either. The real function ln(x) is defined only for x > 0, as you are aware, so the domain for the derivative is x > 0, as well.

As it turns out, the function y = 1/x is defined for any ##x \ne 0##, but the left-hand branch does not represent the derivative of the natural log function.
 
Miraj Kayastha said:
Since lnx is defined for positive x only shouldn't the derivative of lnx be 1/x, where x is positive. My books does not specify that x must be positive, so is lnx differentiable for all x?
I assume you are referring to real numbers (you use "x" for the ind. variable and you say that lnx is defined for positive x only) because in the complex field it's all another story...

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ln(x) can be defined for x < 0, using x=-xe^{\pi i}. Therefore ln(x)=ln(-x)+\pi i.
 
In fact, \frac{d}{dx}ln(\lvert x \rvert)=\frac{1}{x}.
 

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