Is Mass Truly Relative or Absolute?

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The discussion centers around the nature of mass in the context of relativity, specifically whether mass is relative or absolute. It explores concepts such as invariant mass, relativistic mass, and the implications of these definitions in both modern and historical contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that "mass" in relativity typically refers to invariant mass, which is considered invariant and not relative.
  • Others mention the older concept of "relativistic mass," which they argue is essentially another term for energy and is therefore relative.
  • A participant notes that "invariant mass" and "rest mass" are synonymous and are used in modern texts to denote mass, which is not relative.
  • There is a discussion about "longitudinal mass" and "transverse mass," which are described as relative and contribute to the argument against using the term "relativistic mass."
  • One participant claims that mass can be defined as energy measured in a specific system where momentum equals zero, suggesting that this definition implies mass cannot be relative.
  • Another participant reinforces this point by referencing the equation ##mc^2 = \sqrt {E^2 - (pc)^2}##, stating that it yields consistent results across different inertial reference frames.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of mass, with some advocating for the invariance of mass while others support the relativity of mass depending on the context. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives present.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of context when discussing mass, noting that definitions may vary between modern professional texts and older or popular science sources. There is an acknowledgment of the potential confusion arising from different interpretations of mass.

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Is the mass relative?
 
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Mr_Quantum said:
Is the mass relative?

The term "mass" in relativity usually refers to invariant mass, which is, as its name implies, invariant, i.e., not relative.

There is an older concept of "relativistic mass", but that's really just another name for energy. It is relative.
 
"Invariant mass" or "rest mass" are two names for the same thing. In modern professional texts, this is what is meant by mass unless otherwise noted. It is not relative.

"Relativistic mass" is a different thing, and is the total energy of the body divided by ##c^2##. Older serious textbooks, and popular science sources that are more concerned with cool than helpful do sometimes refer to this as mass. It is relative.

You may also come across "longitudinal mass" and "transverse mass", which are part of the reason for giving up on relativistic mass. These are also relative.

So the answer is that it depends. Modern serious sources regard "mass" as meaning invariant mass, which is invariant (as the name suggests). This is the best convention to adopt. When reading pop sci or old texts, keep your wits about you - "mass" could be either relative or not.
 
Mass of body is energy measured in special system where its momentum = 0. By this definition mass cannot be relative. All the system use the same value that was measured in the appointed system.
 
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sweet springs said:
Mass of body is energy measured in special system where its momentum = 0. By this definition mass cannot be relative.
You can also define it via the equation ##mc^2 = \sqrt {E^2 - (pc)^2}## which gives the same result regardless of which inertial reference frame you measure ##E## and ##p## in.
 
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