Is ##\mathbb{Z}_2## a Field Despite the Zero Multiplication Dilemma?

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The discussion revolves around whether the set ##\mathbb{Z}_2## can be classified as a field, particularly focusing on the implications of the zero multiplication dilemma and the existence of a multiplicative inverse for zero. The scope includes abstract algebra concepts and the properties of mathematical structures.

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  • One participant questions the existence of a multiplicative inverse for zero in ##\mathbb{Z}_2##, suggesting that since ##0*a=1## leads to ##0=a^{-1}##, it creates a contradiction.
  • Another participant asserts that zero does not belong to the multiplicative group of ##\mathbb{Z}_2##, which consists only of ##\{\,1\,\}##, and thus cannot have a multiplicative inverse.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of multiplication by zero, with one participant explaining it as a consequence of the distributive law rather than a defined multiplication operation.
  • A suggestion is made to focus on proving properties related to the element ##1## instead of addressing the zero case, indicating a potential strategy for future inquiries.
  • Further elaboration is provided on the structure of ##\mathbb{Z}_2##, emphasizing that zero is not part of the multiplicative system and discussing the implications of division by zero leading to contradictions.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the treatment of zero in the context of field properties, particularly concerning its multiplicative role. There is no consensus on how to approach the issue of zero in ##\mathbb{Z}_2## as a field.

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Participants highlight the limitations of defining multiplication in terms of the distributive law and the implications of assuming a multiplicative inverse for zero, which leads to contradictions. The discussion remains focused on the theoretical aspects without resolving the underlying mathematical questions.

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I was helping someone with a problem today, and it was about showing that ##\mathbb{Z_2}## was a field. It's been a while since I've done abstract algebra, but to my knowledge, this means that there has to exist a multiplication inverse for 0? But I don't see how it would be allowed in this set.
##0*a=1 \rightarrow 0=a^{-1}## but ##0*0=0##. Is there something I'm overlooking? Potentially my math is off too, any insights would be helpful.
 
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romsofia said:
I was helping someone with a problem today, and it was about showing that ##\mathbb{Z_2}## was a field. It's been a while since I've done abstract algebra, but to my knowledge, this means that there has to exist a multiplication inverse for 0? But I don't see how it would be allowed in this set.
##0*a=1 \rightarrow 0=a^{-1}## but ##0*0=0##. Is there something I'm overlooking? Potentially my math is off too, any insights would be helpful.
No, there cannot be a multiplicative inverse to ##0##, it does not belong to the multiplicative group, which in this case is simply ##\{\,1\,\}##.
Multiplication by zero merley comes from the distributive law: ##a\cdot 0 := a\cdot (1+(-1)) = a -a = 0##. You see, that it isn't even defined as a multiplication by zero, only by the requirement, that distribution holds for all elements between the two groups. So how there can be an inversion, if there isn't even a multiplication? It only drops out of another rule.
 
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fresh_42 said:
No, there cannot be a multiplicative inverse to ##0##, it does not belong to the multiplicative group, which in this case is simply ##\{\,1\,\}##.
Multiplication by zero merley comes from the distributive law: ##a\cdot 0 := a\cdot (1+(-1)) = a -a = 0##. You see, that it isn't even defined as a multiplication by zero, only by the requirement, that distribution holds for all elements between the two groups. So how there can be an inversion, if there isn't even a multiplication? It only drops out of another rule.
So, at the time, I told the student to ignore the 0 case and talk to their teacher, and prove it for the 1 case. Should that be the advice I have in the future for these kinds of questions?
 
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So, at the time, I told the student to ignore the 0 case and talk to their teacher, and prove it for the 1 case. Should that be the advice I have in the future for these kinds of questions?
If you like.

##0## is simply not part of the multiplicative system. We start with an additive structure of all elements that has a ##1## so that we can count. In cases like ##\mathbb{Z}_2## where ##1+1=0## it is counting as well, only that in this case skipping the light switch twice brings us back to where we started, but we counted. And of course we want ##1 \cdot a = a##. So up to now we only can add, count and add (subtract) numbers to themselves. To make sense of it, we find the distribution law. In the last step, we ask, if we could reverse those multiplications. This requires a multiplication with division, but it does not require to have this for all elements. Namely ##0## cannot be part of the multiplication, except for what distribution allows us to do. Assuming a division by zero will instantly create contradictions: ##1 = 0 / 0 = 0 \cdot [0]^{-1} = (1 -1) \cdot [0]^{-1}= 1 \cdot [0]^{-1} - 1 \cdot [0]^{-1} = [0]^{-1} - [0]^{-1} = 0## and we cannot distinguish the dot operation from the plus operation anymore.
 
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