Is Maths an underlying principle of nature or did it originate from our brain?

[matt grime]

You got to France and attempt to communicate by speaking Czech. You don't get very far. Whose fault is it?

 

[Lorentz]

You got to France and attempt to communicate by speaking Czech. You don't get very far. Whose fault is it?

What if the french language doesn't permit talking about anything else but France?

 

[Organic]

You got to France and attempt to communicate by speaking Czech. You don't get very far. Whose fault is it?

This is not a good example in my opinion.

My example is: we are both speaking English; we take some concept, infinity for example, and examine it together step by step by using English, after that we start to address our ideas by giving them notations but in any point we still connected to our understanding of the infinity concept, no matter if we are talking English or address it by special notations.

Shortly speaking, our understanding can be translated from informal(=non-special) to formal(=special) language and vise versa, without loosing our understanding.

Modern math says that there is a connection between the language you use and your ability to understand fundamental concepts like infinity.

I say that fundamental concepts are not depend on any language.

 

[matt grime]

You are confusing the philosophical and ontological debate about what maths *is* to each person and the reason why mathematicians label you a crank: it's not because you are thinking in a fundamentally different way but because you refuse to talk to them in their 'language' and adhere to the basics of formal mathematical discourse, and learn about the things you claim to know something of. You have not demonstrated that you have anything to say that is remotely interesting to them, and think it us up to them to meet you at your level, It isn't. But this is yet another debate on an entirely different topic, and isn't related to the underlying nature of what things in mathematics are, and whether they would be 'true' or 'exist' if we weren't here.

 

[ahrkron]

I think the initial subject has been addressed. Whether or not Organic's posts qualify as math is a different issue.

It has to be noted that (as even he has acknowledged several times) he uses math words to denote concepts that in no way correspond to their accepted definitions within math.