Is Matter and Energy Creation a Contradiction?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of matter and energy, specifically addressing the idea that they cannot be created or destroyed. Participants explore the implications of mass-energy equivalence, the Big Bang theory, and the interpretations of quantum mechanics in relation to these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the principle that matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed, questioning whether this is a contradiction given their interchangeability.
  • One participant argues that matter is a form of energy and can be converted, suggesting that while matter can be created and destroyed, energy itself cannot.
  • Another participant mentions the Big Bang as a possible exception to the conservation laws, indicating a lack of understanding about its implications.
  • There is a claim that mass and energy are not interchangeable but are related through the equation e=mc², with examples from chemical and nuclear reactions provided to illustrate this point.
  • Some participants note that many beliefs about the Big Bang are unproven, and there is a call to stay focused on the original topic rather than diverging into the specifics of the Big Bang theory.
  • A participant in secondary school expresses interest in quantum mechanics and its relation to these concepts, seeking clarification on how it connects to mass-energy equivalence.
  • One participant points out that some texts may incorrectly define mass as merely the quantity of matter, contributing to the confusion in the discussion.
  • Another participant reiterates the initial confusion about matter and energy conservation, emphasizing the uniqueness of cosmological events like the creation of the universe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of matter, energy, and their conservation laws. The discussion reflects uncertainty and differing interpretations of fundamental concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight limitations in their understanding of quantum mechanics and cosmology, indicating that their interpretations may depend on specific definitions and assumptions that are not universally agreed upon.

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how can it be that mater can never be created nor destroyed. I just don't understand
I was taught that both energy and mater can never be created nor destroyed yet they are interchangeable.
to me this sounds like a direct contradiction of its self
am I missing a major fundamental.
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Matter and energy aren't interchangeable. Rather, matter is a form of energy, but there are other kinds of energy than matter. Matter can be converted to other forms of energy, so it can be created and destroyed. Energy cannot be created or destroyed. The big bang is a possible exception--but we don't understand enough to really say.
 
is the big bang not beloved to be a dip in an multiverse plane of energy that caused an expediential reels of energy in a un comprehendible time span
 
Matter can be created and destroyed. Mass and energy cannot, however. And it's not that mass and energy are interchangeable, it's that a quantity of energy has a certain amount of mass associated with it, with the equation e=mc2 serving to figure out how much. For example, if I add 1 joule of energy to a system, the system gains 1.1126500560536 x 10-17 Kg's of mass.

Chemical and nuclear reactions are often given as examples of mass turning into energy, but this is not true. For example, if an atom decays and emits radiation, it is typically said that some of the mass of the atom has 'turned into energy'. But if we look at the atom prior to decay as a single system, and the atom plus the light after the decay as another single system, then BOTH systems have exactly the same mass.
 
a lot of people believe a lot of strange things about the big bang, but nothing is proven
 
Evenus1 said:
is the big bang not beloved to be a dip in an multiverse plane of energy that caused an expediential reels of energy in a un comprehendible time span

No, that is absolutely not what the big bang is believed to be. It's also a little off topic to talk about the big bang. Let's stick to the original topic please.
 
but (I am still in secondary school) does qm not explane this
 
sorry I am just really interested in all of these kinds of theories and do a lot of research into them but I sometimes come up a bit short
 
The big bang? No, QM doen't explain it. Mass-energy equivalence? I'm not sure how QM touches on that.
 
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One source of confusion is that some texts give an incorrect definition of mass as the quantity of matter.
 
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Evenus1 said:
how can it be that mater can never be created nor destroyed. I just don't understand
I was taught that both energy and mater can never be created nor destroyed yet they are interchangeable.
to me this sounds like a direct contradiction of its self
am I missing a major fundamental.
Evenus1
This law does not apply to the creation of the Universe. That is the beauty of cosmology.
 

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