Is My Buoyant Force Calculation Correct?

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The discussion revolves around a buoyancy problem related to a hot air balloon, specifically focusing on the conditions necessary for the balloon to float level near the ground. The original poster presents a calculation involving the buoyant force, the volume of the balloon, and the weight of the entire system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to equate the buoyant force to the weight of the balloon system, leading to a calculation of the required density difference. Some participants question the clarity and correctness of the logic used in the calculation, particularly regarding the labeling of density.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, with some providing suggestions for a clearer approach. There is a recognition of the need for more rigorous steps in the calculation, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a discrepancy between the original poster's method and what was taught in class, indicating potential confusion regarding the application of concepts. The discussion also highlights the importance of defining variables clearly in the context of buoyancy calculations.

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Homework Statement


A recreational (open) hot air balloon (i.e., Pinside is approximately Poutside) has a volume of 2107 m3 when fully inflated. The total weight of the balloon, basket, ballast and pilot is 1832.6 N (412 lbs). By how much must the density of the air in the balloon be smaller than that of the surrounding atmosphere in order to keep the balloon floating level near the ground?

Homework Equations


Buoyant force= volume x g x rho

The Attempt at a Solution


I got the right solution, but it was explained much differently in class (much more complicated), and I didn't even use all the values given in the problem. I'm not sure if my logic is correct.

I figured that the buoyant force must be equal to gravity because the balloon is not accelerating.
v x rho x g = m x g

2107 m^3 x rho x g= 1832.6 N
2107 m^3 x rho = 187 kg
difference in rho= 0.0888 kg/m^3

Does what I did make any sense at all? Thanks in advance!
 
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The logic is a little loose even though the answer is probably right.
You label the density by rho in the buoyant force. And then you change the meaning to a density difference. This is not good practice and is missing some steps.
 
So how would I go about doing this the right way? I don't even know where to start.
 
hanag said:
So how would I go about doing this the right way? I don't even know where to start.
Put in an unknown density for the cold outside air, ##\rho_c##, and write the thing you want to find, the difference, as ##\Delta \rho##. In terms of those write the density of the hot air. Then write an expression for the buoyant force in terms of those, and observe the cancellation of the unknown ##\rho_c##.
 

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