Is My Calculation for the Differential Equation Solution Correct?

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The discussion revolves around finding a second solution \( y_2 \) for the differential equation \( x^2 y'' + xy' - y = 0 \), given that one solution \( y_1 = x \) is known. The original poster is attempting to determine if their derived solution \( y = -\frac{1}{2}x \) is correct, as it differs from the book's solution \( y_2 = \frac{1}{x} \).

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster provides a detailed attempt at solving the differential equation using a method involving substitution and integration. They express confusion over the correctness of their solution compared to the book's answer. Other participants suggest checking the solutions by substituting them back into the original differential equation. There is also a discussion about the role of the constant \( C \) in the integration process and its implications for the solution.

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The discussion is active, with participants engaging in clarifying the original poster's approach and exploring the implications of constants in their solutions. Some participants have provided guidance on verifying the solutions, while others have raised questions about the integration steps and the treatment of constants.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the nuances of differential equations, particularly the nature of solutions in linear homogeneous cases. There is an emphasis on the importance of verifying solutions against the original equation, and some participants are questioning the assumptions made regarding constants during integration.

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Homework Statement


Find a second solution y2 for x^2*y"+xy'-y=0; y1=x that isn't a constant multiple of the solution y1.

Homework Equations


None.

The Attempt at a Solution


Here's my work:
I divided by x^2,
y"+(1/x)y'-(1/x^2)y=0
P(x)=1/x and Q(x)=-1/x^2
Let y(x)=v(x)*x
y'(x)=v'(x)*x+v(x)
(1/x)y'(x)=v'(x)+v(x)/x
y"(x)=v'(x)+v"(x)*x+v'(x)=xv"(x)+2v'(x)
xv"(x)+2v'(x)+v'(x)+v(x)/x-v(x)*x/(x^2)=0
xv"(x)+3v'(x)=0
Let w=v'
w'=v"
xw'+3w=0
w'=-3w/x
dw/dx=-3w/x
dw/w=-3/x dx
integrate
ln abs(w)=-3ln abs(x)+C
Don't count C, the constant.
w=1/x^3
w=v'=1/x^3
dv/dx=1/x^2
don't count c, the constant.
v=-1/2x^2
y=v*x
y=-1/2x^2*x=-1/2x
But the answer in the book is y2=1/x. I got y=-1/2x, which answer is right?
 
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Both are correct. If "y" is a solution to a "linear homogenous differential equation", which this is, then "Ay" is also a solution for any constant, A.
 
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Math10 said:

Homework Statement


Find a second solution y2 for x^2*y"+xy'-y=0; y1=x that isn't a constant multiple of the solution y1.

Homework Equations


None.

The Attempt at a Solution


Here's my work:
I divided by x^2,
y"+(1/x)y'-(1/x^2)y=0
P(x)=1/x and Q(x)=-1/x^2
Let y(x)=v(x)*x
y'(x)=v'(x)*x+v(x)
(1/x)y'(x)=v'(x)+v(x)/x
y"(x)=v'(x)+v"(x)*x+v'(x)=xv"(x)+2v'(x)
xv"(x)+2v'(x)+v'(x)+v(x)/x-v(x)*x/(x^2)=0
xv"(x)+3v'(x)=0
Let w=v'
w'=v"
xw'+3w=0
w'=-3w/x
dw/dx=-3w/x
dw/w=-3/x dx
integrate
ln abs(w)=-3ln abs(x)+C
Don't count C, the constant.
w=1/x^3
w=v'=1/x^3
dv/dx=1/x^2
don't count c, the constant.
v=-1/2x^2
y=v*x
y=-1/2x^2*x=-1/2x
But the answer in the book is y2=1/x. I got y=-1/2x, which answer is right?
If you include a much needed set of parentheses in your solution, y = -1/(2x) , then both are correct.

Instead of throwing out C, use C = ln(2) .
 
Math10 said:
But the answer in the book is y2=1/x. I got y=-1/2x, which answer is right?

What stops you from plugging the answers back in the DE and checking for yourself?
 
LCKurtz said:
What stops you from plugging the answers back in the DE and checking for yourself?
I agree. @Math10, at this point in your studies, any problem that you can check, you should check. You have already done the hard work of find the second solution. It's a simple matter to verify that what you have found actually is a solution.
 
But when do I use C=ln(2)? After integrating dw/w=-3/x dx? But how did you get C=ln(2)?
 
Math10 said:
But when do I use C=ln(2)? After integrating dw/w=-3/x dx? But how did you get C=ln(2)?
I assume that you are referring to my response somewhere above.

Notice that most of the previous respondents used the 'Reply' feature which includes a quote from the post they reference.

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integrate
ln abs(w)=-3ln abs(x)+C
Don't count C, the constant.
w=1/x^3
...
C is an arbitrary constant, Right?

Suppose you keep it, rather than discarding it.

You then have ##\displaystyle e^{\,\ln|w|}=e^{\,\ln(|x|^{-3})+C}\ ##.

So that ##\displaystyle w=\pm e^Cx^{-3}\ ## .

Carry that on through.

Then, ##\displaystyle v=\pm\frac{1}{2}e^Cx^{-3}+c_2 ## .

In your solution, you let c2 = 0. That's fine.

You can choose C = ln(2), so that ## e^C ## cancels the ##\displaystyle \frac{1}{2}\ ##.

This together with choosing the - sign from the ± gives the book solution.
 

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