Is N(A) a Subset of N(A^t A)?: Proving Inclusion for Matrix Nullspaces

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The discussion focuses on proving that the nullspace of matrix A, denoted N(A), is a subset of the nullspace of A^t A, denoted N(A^t A). The key argument is that if a vector x is in N(A), then it satisfies the equation Ax = 0, which leads to A^t A x = 0, confirming that x is also in N(A^t A). Participants emphasize the need to clearly state the logic behind the proof, ensuring that the definitions of nullspaces are correctly applied. The conclusion reached is that N(A) is indeed a subset of N(A^t A). This proof illustrates the relationship between the nullspaces of a matrix and its product with its transpose.
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Homework Statement



Given matrix A (size m x n), prove N(A) is subset of N( A^t A).

A^t is matrix A transposed.

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My assumption is m < n, using definition of nullspace, I ended up with N( A^t A) = a set of zero vector, while N(A) is not entirely included in N( A^t A).

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If ##Ax = 0##, then what is ##A^t A x##?
 
jbunniii said:
If ##Ax = 0##, then what is ##A^t A x##?

A^t A x= 0

and how do I justify the subset part?
 
inter060708 said:
A^t A x= 0

and how do I justify the subset part?
If ##X## and ##Y## are sets, how do you prove that ##X \subset Y## in general?
 
jbunniii said:
If ##X## and ##Y## are sets, how do you prove that ##X \subset Y## in general?

I need to show that elements in X also belongs to Y.
 
inter060708 said:
I need to show that elements in X also belongs to Y.
Yes, that's right. So what is the defining property of an element of ##N(A)##? In other words, ##x \in N(A)## if and only if ...?
 
jbunniii said:
Yes, that's right. So what is the defining property of an element of ##N(A)##? In other words, ##x \in N(A)## if and only if ...?

x ε N(A) iff Ax = 0 and since A^t A x = 0 then x ε N(A^t A).
Therefore x belongs to both N(A) and N(A^t A).

Is this correct?
 
inter060708 said:
x ε N(A) iff Ax = 0 and since A^t A x = 0 then x ε N(A^t A).
Therefore x belongs to both N(A) and N(A^t A).

Is this correct?
You have the right idea, but you need to state the logic correctly. The goal is to prove that if ##x \in N(A)## then ##x \in N(A^t A)##.

So, suppose ##x \in N(A)##. Then by definition, ##Ax = 0##. Therefore...?
 
inter060708 said:
A^t A x= 0

Do you understand why that is zero? You stated it but didn't prove it.
 
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jbunniii said:
You have the right idea, but you need to state the logic correctly. The goal is to prove that if ##x \in N(A)## then ##x \in N(A^t A)##.

So, suppose ##x \in N(A)##. Then by definition, ##Ax = 0##. Therefore...?

Ok I think I got it.

to prove that if ##x \in N(A)## then ##x \in N(A^t A)##.

##x \in N(A)##. By definition, ##Ax = 0##
therefore ##A^t A x = 0## which means ##x \in N(A^t A)## as well.

Therefore ##N(A) \subset N(A^t A)##.

Thanks a lot jbunniii.
 
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