Nullspace of matrix A and the nullspace of A^T*A

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The problem involves demonstrating that the nullspace of a matrix A is a subset of the nullspace of the product A^T*A, where A is an m*n matrix. Participants are exploring the relationships between these nullspaces and the implications of linear transformations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Some participants suggest starting with the assumption that a vector x is in the nullspace of A and exploring the consequences for A^T*A. Others question the need for guessing whether A^T*A is zero and encourage proving it directly.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing logical steps and reasoning. There is a recognition of the relationship between the nullspaces, and while some participants express confidence in the reasoning, there is no explicit consensus on the final presentation of the proof.

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There is an emphasis on proving relationships between nullspaces without providing complete solutions. Participants are encouraged to express their reasoning and clarify concepts rather than simply stating outcomes.

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Homework Statement


A is matrix m*n
show that nullspace of A is the subset of nullspace of A^T*A


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Have you tried anything at all? The standard way to prove "X is a subset of Y" is start "If x is in X" and use the properties of X and Y to conclude "then x is in Y".

So suppose x is in the null space of A. What can you say about A^T Ax?
 
I know Ax=0 and i guess A^T*A is also 0
 
iamzzz said:
I know Ax=0 and i guess A^T*A is also 0
You mean, you guess that AT*Ax is also 0, right? But why do you need to guess? If Ax = 0, you can easily prove AT*Ax = 0.
 
haruspex said:
You mean, you guess that AT*Ax is also 0, right? But why do you need to guess? If Ax = 0, you can easily prove AT*Ax = 0.

Done prove ?
So x is also in the nullspace of A^TA so done ? serioulsy ...
 
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The set of all values of x such that Ax=0 is the Null space of A.
The set of all values of x such that (A^(T)*A)x=0 is the Null space of A^(T)*A
Since A^(T)*A is linear, (A^(T)*A)x = A^(T)*(Ax)
Therefore A^(T)*(Ax)=0
A^(T)*(0) = 0 - For all values of x such that Ax = 0 - Therefore the set of solutions to Ax=0 is a subset of A^(T)*A

Now just turn that into mathematical notation.
 
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