Is NetMath a Good Option for Learning Multivariable Calculus Online?

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The discussion centers on the suitability of UIUC's NetMath online program for learning Multivariable Calculus, particularly in relation to its application in physics. Participants share their experiences, preferences for learning methods, and the importance of understanding mathematical concepts in various contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in the NetMath program for its convenience, noting a preference for applied mathematics over theoretical understanding.
  • Another participant suggests that a deeper understanding of mathematics is necessary for advanced studies in physics, mentioning the importance of advanced calculus and topics like differential topology.
  • A different viewpoint indicates that the necessity of advanced mathematical knowledge depends on the individual's goals in physics, particularly whether they aim for theoretical or applied physics.
  • Concerns are raised about the usability of Mathematica notebooks in the NetMath program, with one participant finding them unintuitive and potentially obscuring important concepts.
  • There is a suggestion that conventional textbooks might provide a better foundation, although the reputation of UIUC is acknowledged as a positive aspect of the program.
  • One participant plans to supplement the online course with a paper textbook to ensure a comprehensive understanding of vector calculus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the effectiveness of the NetMath program. There are competing views regarding the necessity of theoretical understanding versus practical application in learning mathematics for physics.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying assumptions about the level of mathematical understanding required based on their individual goals in physics, leading to differing opinions on the adequacy of the NetMath program.

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I'm thinking of taking Multivariable Calculus through UIUC's NetMath online program:
http://netmath.uiuc.edu/
The course is taught largely through Mathematica notebooks:
http://www.matheverywhere.com/mei/
Does anyone have any experience with this program or have any advice on whether it's a good way to learn math? It's difficult for me to attend courses in-person, and I'm not really cut out for self-study. So this seems like a good compromise.

I am not looking for a theoretical understanding of math, I'm more interested in it as it applies to physics. I'm not looking to earn a degree, I just want to learn.
 
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"I am not looking for a theoretical understanding of math, I'm more interested in it as it applies to physics. I'm not looking to earn a degree, I just want to learn."

If your end goal is to crank out some integrals to solve intermediate mechanics style problems, then you don't need a good understanding of the math. On the other hand if you want to learn modern physics (or even old physics, e.g. GR), you will certainly need a deeper understanding of the math. For example you need to know advanced calculus well so that you can go on to learn differential topology and geometry. You'll want to learn 'multivariable calculus' at the level of Munkres (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0201315963/?tag=pfamazon01-20) for this.
 
It depends on whether or not he wants to go into theoretical physics. I won't ever have to look at differential topology. So it depends on your goals.
 
I looked at a few of the sample Mathematica notebooks and wasn't impressed. The tools they use to generate pictures are unintuitive enough that they could be hard to pick up on your own. You're also always focused on nitty-gritty examples, which may obscure important aspects of the big picture that are helpful whether you're interested in theory or applications. I hope there is also some sort of companion text.

I think conventional textbooks would probably be a better approach, but I'm not sure if there are online courses available that use them. Certainly taking an course in whatever way it is designed is helpful, and UIUC is a respected institution, so you should learn things. If it's the best option you have, you certainly nothing to lose and you can always learn the math at a higher level later if necessary.

Whether it will be good enough to make you comfortable with applied math for physics is impossible to say. Multivariable calculus is relied on virtually everywhere in physics above the introductory university level, so having a solid understanding of it is important to future studies. To some extent, a "solid understanding" means knowing how things relate theoretically, just not how to calculate things.

Still, if you're just starting out learning multivariable calculus, a text like Munkres is far above the level you will need for quite some time -- it will be at least several years until you arrive at fields like particle physics and general relativity. Even then, I'm not convinced that knowing math at that level of theoretical sophistication is necessary.

My background: undergraduate physics/math major in my final year.
 
Thanks for looking over the coursework. I'm planning to use a paper textbook along side the online work, just to make sure I'm getting a full perspective. This will be my first exposure to vector calculus.
 

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