Is Newton the founder of quantum gravitation?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether Newton's gravitational formula can be considered a theory of quantum gravity. Participants explore the relationship between classical physics and quantum theory, particularly in the context of energy and frequency.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if Newton's formula $$ F = G \ \dfrac{ m_{_1} m_{_2} }{d^2} $$ can be assumed to represent a theory of quantum gravity.
  • Another participant asserts that relating energy to frequency is part of quantum theory but insufficient for a consistent quantum theory, concluding that Newton's formula does not qualify as a quantum gravity theory.
  • A participant expresses doubt about their understanding due to a valued person's claim that combining the equation $$ E = h \hspace{0.03 cm} \nu $$ with high school physics leads to Newton's gravitational formula as a quantum gravitation theory.
  • Some participants challenge the validity of the claim made by the valued person, suggesting that without a proper reference, the assertion lacks credibility.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus. There are competing views regarding the relationship between Newton's formula and quantum gravity, with some asserting it cannot be considered a quantum theory while others express uncertainty about the validity of the claims made by a third party.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of a textbook or peer-reviewed reference to support the claim that Newton's formula can be derived as a theory of quantum gravitation, highlighting the need for credible sources in scientific discussions.

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Someone I value told me that just by using the formula
$$ E = h \hspace{0.03 cm} \nu $$
any high school level statement becomes a theory of quantum gravity . My opinion is that this is not the case, but I admit that often I am wrong.
Is it okay to assume that the Newtonian formula

$$ F = G \ \dfrac{ m_{_1} m_{_2} }{d^2} $$

is itself a theory of quantum gravity ?
 
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Relating energy to frequency is of course a part of quantum theory, but this alone is not sufficient to have a consistent quantum theory. So the answer is - no.
 
Demystifier said:
Relating energy to frequency is of course a part of quantum theory, but this alone is not sufficient to have a consistent quantum theory. So the answer is - no.
Thank you Demystifier for answering my question.

I asked this because someone I value said that if you use the equation $$ E = h \hspace{0.03 cm} \nu $$ , plus high school physics, and you get to the Newtonian gravitational formula, you have developed a theory of quantum gravitation.

Obviously I have a can't admit that, but the person's insistence made me doubt that I was wrong.
 
I'm sure you have good reasons to value that person, but perhaps good knowledge of physics should not be one of them.
 
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Demystifier said:
I'm sure you have good reasons to value that person, but perhaps good knowledge of physics should not be one of them.
I have many reasons to trust his knowledge and this is the first time I have encountered a shocking surprise. Maybe I expressed poorly in English what I really wanted to ask. Or Google Translator fulfilled the Italian saying: traduttore, traditore.
 
south said:
I asked this because someone I value said that if you use the equation $$ E = h \hspace{0.03 cm} \nu $$ , plus high school physics, and you get to the Newtonian gravitational formula, you have developed a theory of quantum gravitation.
This is not a valid reference. Either there is a textbook or peer-reviewed paper that expounds and defends such a claim, or there isn't.

Unless and until you can produce such a reference (maybe the "someone" you value knows of one? I doubt it, but you can ask), this thread is closed.
 

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