Is one semester of quantum physics enough for a math major?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on whether one semester of quantum physics is sufficient for a mathematics major considering further studies in mathematical physics. Participants explore the implications of skipping the second semester of quantum physics in favor of completing mathematics courses.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern that the current quantum physics course may not adequately cover the foundational postulates of quantum mechanics, suggesting that a proper understanding requires a more comprehensive approach.
  • Another participant notes that the second semester of quantum physics would likely be more relevant for a math major, particularly in relation to advanced topics that may be encountered in graduate studies.
  • There is a suggestion to check if graduate programs in applied mathematics require or prefer two semesters of quantum mechanics as part of their admissions criteria.
  • One participant mentions that while the first semester covers essential topics like the Schrödinger equation, the second semester may provide necessary preparation for advanced concepts such as perturbation theory and entanglement.
  • Concerns are raised about the uncertainty of whether quantum mechanics will be needed in the future, highlighting the difficulty in making a decision based on current academic plans.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether one semester of quantum physics is sufficient. There are competing views on the necessity of the second semester based on individual academic and career goals.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the potential limitations of their current understanding and the varying requirements of graduate programs, which may influence the decision to take additional quantum physics courses.

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As the title says, I am a mathematics major, but I'm taking extra physics and engineering courses. I'm interested in mathematical physics work in the future.

I'm taking the first of two semesters of quantum physics offered by my school right now. I was planning to take the next course in the spring 2016 semester, but in my hurry to finally graduate, I am debating on whether or not to skip that one and take my last math courses in the spring instead of finishing in the fall 2016 semester (quantum is only offered spring).

Would I be missing out on too much if I decided to skip that course? Or should I go ahead and finish up undergrad and move onto my master's degree (applied math).

BTW, the course I'm taking now covers the following: Planck theory of radiation, photoelectric effect and comptons equation, particle/wave duality, the hydrogen atom, Schroedinger equation (we spend the most time on this), and statistical physics.

The next course gives a "systematic development of quantum mechanical laws, emphasizing solutions to the Schroedinger equation". (Basically a more in-depth look at the equation, I assume).

If it helps, I've taken a full course in PDEs, as well...
 
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That doesn't seem to be proper "quantum mechanics". A proper course in quantum mechanics should show how all the things you mentioned fit in the framework of the following postulates.

http://www.theory.caltech.edu/people/preskill/ph229/notes/chap2.pdf Postulates 1 - 4 in section 2.1

http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.6815 Postulates II.1 - II.5 in section 3.1
 
Well, for a math major, the second part of the course would be most interesting to you.

Whether it is a good idea to delay your graduation date depends on whether you'll need QM later. So that depends on what you'll be doing.
 
atyy said:
That doesn't seem to be proper "quantum mechanics". A proper course in quantum mechanics should show how all the things you mentioned fit in the framework of the following postulates.

http://www.theory.caltech.edu/people/preskill/ph229/notes/chap2.pdf Postulates 1 - 4 in section 2.1

http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.6815 Postulates II.1 - II.5 in section 3.1

The master's program I have been looking at allows taking a course like this as an elective:

"Students acquire a more deeper knowledge on the nature and the power of quantum mechanics. In particular they know how to apply perturbation theory, to employ scattering theory and to apply symmetry arguments. Students also get in touch with more modern aspects of quantum mechanics like in questions about entanglement, non-localities and the measurement problem."

As well as a mathematical physics course, statistical mechanics, and a course in groups in symmetries.

Basically I'm wondering if the one course I'm taking now would be enough to serve as a base for one/any of these, or if it's necessary to take the second.

micromass said:
Well, for a math major, the second part of the course would be most interesting to you.

Whether it is a good idea to delay your graduation date depends on whether you'll need QM later. So that depends on what you'll be doing.

I guess the problem is that it's hard to know whether or not I will be needing QM at this point... I figured it's a big part of modern mathematical physics, though
 
You might see if the grad programs in applied math you are considering requires two semesters of QM as preparation, or if the admissions prefers two semesters, if you can get this information.

If/When you see QM at the graduate level, my best guess is that the second semester would be good preparation. However, I do not think you should delay graduation in Math for a semester while you take the one course, when you have the opportunity to take QM in grad school. I defintiely think your PDE course will help you when you need to see the Schrödinger's equation in the QM in a future course.
 

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