Is Our Perception of Existence Truly Absolute?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "absolute" in relation to existence, perception, and knowledge. Participants explore various interpretations of what can be considered absolute, including abstract concepts, acceptance, and the nature of truth. The conversation includes philosophical inquiries and personal reflections, with a focus on subjective definitions and the implications of these definitions.

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that acceptance is a form of absolute, though the specifics of what is being accepted remain unclear.
  • Others propose that knowledge of abstract objects or systems can be considered absolute.
  • A participant mentions that "everything is a lie," prompting discussions about the Liar's Paradox and the nature of truth.
  • There is a claim that existence itself is absolute, with a distinction made about truths being absolute within their circumstances.
  • One participant argues that the perception of existence is absolute, despite differing views on materialism and subjective experience.
  • Another participant raises the idea of potentials and tendencies as part of the discussion on absolutes.
  • Humor is interjected with references to vodka, illustrating a lighter take on the serious topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of interpretations of what constitutes "absolute," with no clear consensus reached. Multiple competing views remain, and the discussion reflects a range of philosophical perspectives without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants' definitions of "absolute" vary significantly, and the discussion includes personal interpretations that may depend on individual beliefs and experiences. The conversation does not resolve the complexities surrounding the concept of absolutes.

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in your own words, define what you feel is absolute...
 
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Vodka.
 
Originally posted by Kerrie
in your own words, define what you feel is absolute...

Do you mean to define what it means to be absolute, or to define something that I personally believe to be absolute.
 
Originally posted by Kerrie
in your own words, define what you feel is absolute...

Acceptance
 


Originally posted by wuliheron
Acceptance

Acceptance of what?
 
Originally posted by LogicalAtheist
Vodka.



Originally posted by Kerrie
in your own words, define what you feel is absolute...

Knowledge of abstract objects (mental constructs) is absolute.
 


Originally posted by Mentat
Acceptance of what?

Acceptance of course. :0)
 


Originally posted by wuliheron
Acceptance of course. :0)

Cool!
 
Originally posted by Kerrie
in your own words, define what you feel is absolute...
Potentials? Where everything in between are just tendencies?
 
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absolute is what this discussion isn't
 
  • #11
Acceptance of Absolute Vodka only...

Originally posted by wuliheron
Acceptance of course. :0)
 
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Greetings !
Originally posted by Kerrie
in your own words, define what you feel is absolute...
Absolute abstract systems.
Originally posted by wuliheron
Acceptance
Could you, please, prove even that is absolute ?
Originally posted by LogicalAtheist
Vodka.


Live long and prosper.
 
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Originally posted by drag

Could you, please, prove even that is absolute ?

Proving that acceptance of acceptance is absolute is a personal affair. You must prove it to yourself, the finger pointing at the moon is not to be confused with the moon itself.
 
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Originally posted by Kerrie
in your own words, define what you feel is absolute...

"Everything is a lie"
 
  • #15
Originally posted by heusdens
"Everything is a lie"
Oh, do you mean propaganda? ... Absolutely!
 
  • #16
Originally posted by Kerrie
in your own words, define what you feel is absolute...

Absolute? What's that?
 
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Originally posted by heusdens
"Everything is a lie"

That's the Liar's Paradox, and makes no rational sense, but I kind of agree (on a more broad, less specific, level).
 
  • #18
Everything that is is absolute. Things often are not true in absolutely all circumstances, but things that are true are absolutely true in their circumstances. It is absolutely true that there is existence outside of myself.
 
  • #19
Concept of Time/existence is absolute.
 
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From the thread, https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2102" ...

Originally posted by wuliheron
Some materialists like to assert that all we have is human perception of existence, but when we perceive the ground of our own being it is absolute. The world may not be flat as once was thought common knowledge, but I exist and my knowledge of my existence and participation in existence is absolute and irrefutable. I can pretend otherwise, but it is just a pretense.
And the "journey" begins ...
 
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