Is P -> ~(Q ^ ~P) a Tautology or Contradiction?

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The discussion revolves around the logical statement P -> ~(Q ^ ~P) and whether it is a tautology or a contradiction. Participants are examining the equivalence of this statement with P -> (~Q v P) and exploring the truth table associated with it.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are attempting to construct truth tables for the statement and its equivalent forms. There are questions about the correctness of specific rows in the truth tables and the implications of logical operations.

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The discussion includes various interpretations of the truth table results, with some participants questioning the validity of certain entries. There is an ongoing exploration of the logical relationships and equivalences, but no consensus has been reached regarding the classification of the original statement.

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Participants are grappling with the abstract nature of logical statements and truth tables, with some expressing difficulty in understanding the concepts. References to external resources for further study have been suggested.

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Homework Statement



Wrie out the truth table for the statement form P -> ~(Q ^ ~P). Is it a tautology or a contradiction?

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First off is it true to say that P -> ~(Q ^ ~P) and P -> (~Q v P) are equal.

P | Q | ~P | ~Q | P -> (~Q v P)
T T F F F
T F F T F
F T T F F
F F T T F

I believe it is a contradiction. Is this correct
 
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Technicality: ~(Q ^ ~P) is equivalent to (not equal to) (~Q v P), so P ==> ~(Q ^ ~P) and P ==> (~Q v P) are also equivalent.

If I were doing the truth table I would have columns for P and Q (which you do), plus one column for ~Q v P.
 
P | Q | (~Q v P) | P -> (~Q v P)
T__T_____F_________F
T__F_____T_________T
F__T_____F__________F
F__F_____F__________F

is the second row correct. If P, then not Q or P. It sounds like a contradiction but P is true ~QvP.
 
how come F->F is false?
 
and there's something wrong in the (~Q v P) column, in the first row.

FvT is false?
 
not followings u
 
hmmm

P--->(~QvP)
T_()___T
T_()___T
F_()___F
F_()___F

fill in the blank ()

;P
 
for ~QvP, it is only true when it Q is false and P is true.
 
joemama69 said:
for ~QvP, it is only true when it Q is false and P is true.
No, that's not right. ~QvP is true in all cases other than when P is false and Q is true.
 
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"v" is or. it's only true when either ~Q or P is true

your statement here "for ~QvP, it is only true when it Q is false and P is true."

suppose to be "for ~Q\wedgeP, it is only true when it Q is false and P is true."
 
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P | Q | (~Q v P)
T__T___T
T__F___F
F__T___T
F__F___T

ok i got this part. but when u pu P->(~Q v P) you get True only when (~Q v P) is True and when P is True.

P | Q | (~Q v P) | P->(~Q v P)
T__T___T___________T
T__F___F___________F
F__T___T___________F
F__F___T___________F
 
  • #12
joemama69 said:
P | Q | (~Q v P)
T__T___T
T__F___F
F__T___T
F__F___T

in second row is wrong

joemama69 said:
ok i got this part. but when u pu P->(~Q v P) you get True only when (~Q v P) is True and when P is True.

and also whenever P is false, it must be true too

because if the premises is already false, either the consequence is false or true, it doesn't matter. The statement must be true
 
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P | Q | (~Q v P) | P->(~Q v P)
T__T___T___________T
T__F___T___________T
F__T___F___________T
F__F___T___________T
 
  • #14
yea, that's correct, i hope you understand each of them. and btw, you can also proof it algebraically. using all those law, assiosiative, identity, commut, distributive and so on,
 
  • #15
im having a hard time grasping the abstractness of this. do you know of any good sites i can use for added material.
 

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