Is Permittivity Equivalent to EM Conductivity?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the relationship between permittivity and electrical conductivity, particularly in the context of how these properties influence the propagation of electromagnetic waves through dielectrics compared to electric current through conductors. Participants examine whether it is appropriate to label permittivity as a form of "EM conductivity" and discuss related concepts such as conductance and capacitance.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that permittivity can be viewed as analogous to conductivity, suggesting that both describe a material's ability to facilitate the propagation of different types of "influence" (electric current vs. electromagnetic waves).
  • Others argue that while conductivity and permittivity may describe similar phenomena, they differ fundamentally in terms of their implications for velocity and energy flow, particularly noting that higher permittivity can slow down EM waves.
  • A participant questions the validity of equating permittivity with EM conductivity, emphasizing that the relationship involves different units and factors of time and frequency.
  • Some contributions introduce the idea of "inductivity" and "capacitivity" as unofficial terms related to inductance and capacitance, discussing their potential relevance in the context of electromagnetic fields.
  • There is mention of a mathematical relationship involving permittivity, conductivity, and frequency, indicating that both factors may be relevant in high-frequency AC circuits.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the equivalence of permittivity and conductivity, with some supporting the analogy and others cautioning against oversimplification. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the analogy between permittivity and conductivity, particularly regarding the implications of velocity and the differences in units. The discussion also touches on the complexity introduced by frequency in AC circuits.

  • #31
Saw said:
So in this case we get division by zero?

Provided that \hat{\sigma}(\omega) \neq o(\omega), \ \omega \rightarrow 0. This is true for conductors, but not for insulators (dielectrics).

EDIT:
Remember, we are working wIth the Fourier transforms of these quantities in the frequency domain. This simply tells us that there ought to be a pole of the dielectric response function at \omega = 0. Going back to time domain, we get:
<br /> \epsilon&#039;&#039;(t -t&#039;) = \frac{\sigma}{\epsilon_0} \, \theta(t - t&#039;)<br />
which gives the following relation between the polarization and the electric field:
<br /> \mathbf{P}(t) = \sigma \, \int_{-\infty}^{t}{\mathbf{E}(t&#039;) \, dt&#039;}<br />
or, the current density due to bound charges is:
<br /> \mathbf{J}(t) = \dot{\mathbf{P}}(t) = \sigma \, \mathbf{E}(t)<br />
But, this is just Ohm's law in differential form, provided the "bound" charges are the free ones, as is the case for conductors.
 
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